The 2nd Amendment needs a amendment to clarify it.

So would Jbander....

He's still looking for one.

He has not read Citizens United and does not understand that it does not help him either.

 

Well at least you are honest enough to recognize that it would require the actual process of amendment to achieve your goal--and not to advocate we just appoint a judge to amend it for us.

 

that's one of the most idiotic suggestions I have ever seen. BTW what was the pre-existing natural right envisioned by the founders as being guaranteed by the second amendment. A hint to those who don't understand constitutional theory-it cannot be dependent on membership in an entity that only exists POST government creation

why do lefties trust only the government and criminals to be armed?

 

Its why I sort of respected Major Owens ( Late D-NY) who wanted to repeal the second amendment. He was a hard core Banoid but at least he admitted to do so would require the removal of the second amendment. What he wasn't smart enough to understand was he would also have to pass an amendment delegating authority to congress and it is still dubious whether congress can ever truly abrogate a fundamental natural right

 

I object to Any form of insinuation that our Founding Fathers did Any Thing less than An Most Excellent job at the convention with our supreme law of the land. There is No Thing ambiguous.

 

I would thank you but I know how you twist words.

 

It was a group effort, the civilians and police brought their rifles and pinned him down for the three man team to get into the tower. Exactly how many died while the rifles pinned the sniper down? Also the police were shooting too so if anyone died it wasn't completely the civilians fault.

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What are you talking about?

 

I don't twist any words; I merely understand strings of words and don't make excuses for winning my arguments.

 

Your last post is deceitful at best. Look, no one on the pro gun rights side is convince you are for gun rights. You are against the private ownership of firearms unless they are connected to police, militia, or military now are you?

 

How is my last post deceitful? I object to Any form of insinuation that our Founding Fathers did Any Thing less than An Most Excellent job at the convention with our supreme law of the land. There is No Thing ambiguous.

It merely requires adequate reading comprehension.

I believe in better aqueducts, better roads, and more well regulated militia.

Are you merely ignorant of what the Militia of the United States is comprised?

 

Without bull(*)(*)(*)(*) or distortions the regressives wouldn't exist
MY COMMENT This one is all telling Mass shootings stopped by armed civilians in the past 33 years: 0
YOUR CRAP And actually your wrong. Citizens with rifles helped take out the sniper in the Texan tower.
Again I'll repeat myself , the comment that you say I'm wrong about. This one is all telling Mass shootings stopped by armed civilians in the past 33 year 0. The two cops stopped him, not one shot fired by the Gun heroes hit the mark, off course. But what it did do, as the people who were there said, they didn't know on what side of a Barrier to hide behind because of the shots coming from multiple direction. So I wonder how many people got killed hiding on the wrong side of the barrier because of the gun heroes. Considering they were useless in stopping this guy, Do you know if any of these gun heroes shot them self in the foot.

To repeat myself This one is all telling Mass shootings stopped by armed civilians in the past 33 years: 0
Still Zero buddy. With the possibility that some died because of these gun heroes.

 

See what I mean? At first glance it looks like you are in favor of every individual the right to keep and bear arms. Now I'll ask you a simple question and I expect a simple answer (FYI the above doesn't qualify). Do you believe individuals who are not connected to LE, militia, or military has the right to keep and bear arms on public property. A straight question that requires a straight answer. Yes or no?

 

You do realize when you said gun heroes you are including the cops right? Also originally you didnt put a date limit on mass shootings stopped by citizens. Plus you haven't given a number of people killed when the citizens got their rifles. Even if you did title be far less than when the police were only using pistols and shotguns and even lesser than that when NO ONE was firing back. Show me the stat. And actually you didnt answered the second part. The reason why hardly any mass shooting was stopped by a armed citizen is because no one was armed at the time of the shooting because of a sign that said "no guns allowed". DUH!

See above.

 

still missing the point? now you should know why I object to Any form of insinuation that our Founding Fathers did Any Thing less than An Most Excellent job at the convention with our supreme law of the land. There is No Thing ambiguous.

Are you merely ignorant of what the Militia of the United States is comprised?

 

Chiming in! I'm well aware of what the definition of malitia, able body men between 17 and 45, I'm 50 so you think I shouldn't be allowed to bear arms?

 

stop the blood clot crying and the bald faced denying. Shootings don't result in enough deaths to be called "mass shootings" when citizens take out the killer before he kills "enough"

we get the fact that you hate gun owners because we don't vote for the socialist nutcases

your constant silly use of the term "regressive" is hilarious because NOTHING is more REGRESSIVE than the creeping crud of collectivism and the desire of people like you to be permanent children never having to take responsibility for your you own poor choices-or worse yet-wanting to be the parents to all those slow witted dependent voters.

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Do you HONESTLY-being a smart guy-think jbander's rants about gun owners is really fueled by crime statistics?

 

no.

This also applies: The defense and protection of the state and of the United States is an obligation of all persons within the state. The legislature shall provide for the discharge of this obligation and for the maintenance and regulation of an organized militia.

 

Without bull(*)(*)(*)(*) or distortions the regressives wouldn't exist
MY COMMENT This one is all telling Mass shootings stopped by armed civilians in the past 33 years: 0
YOUR CRAP And actually your wrong. Citizens with rifles helped take out the sniper in the Texan tower.
Again I'll repeat myself , the comment that you say I'm wrong about. This one is all telling Mass shootings stopped by armed civilians in the past 33 year 0. The two cops stopped him, not one shot fired by the Gun heroes hit the mark, off course. But what it did do, as the people who were there said, they didn't know on what side of a Barrier to hide behind because of the shots coming from multiple direction. So I wonder how many people got killed hiding on the wrong side of the barrier because of the gun heroes. Considering they were useless in stopping this guy, Do you know if any of these gun heroes shot them self in the foot.
You got nothing , no mass shooter was ever stopped by one of your gun hero's and in fact by what the people said who were there hiding from the killer in Texas, it's probable that some got killed hiding on the wrong side of a barrier. Not knowing were the shooter was.
Show me the stats on how many gun hero's shoot them self in the foot before they get to use their gun to protect them. I always said it was in the last 33 years, you are simply wrong except it.

 

Any evidence that there was a CCW present during any of these mass shootings? Seems to me if there were no legally armed civilians then of course there was no one to intervene.
Sounds like we need more CCWs and get rid of the gun free zones. Maybe then there would be someone to mitigate the damage.

 

No. I'm just trying to get him to realize that he doesn't have a leg to stand on.

 

DUH! The cops on the ground with their rifles missed too. They contributed to the chaos causing citizens to hide on the wrong side. My understanding is that when the rifles were brought it pinned down the sniper causing him to not fire back. And actually the one citizen that went into the tower helped as well, though it was accidentally. He went to the other side and accidentally shot off a round. That caused the sniper to focus on him allowing the two cops who would otherwise be in direct line of sight and fire to rush in and shoot.

Even if NO mass shooting was stopped by an armed citizen that's because there was no armed citizen, DUH!

 

Why not you educate us all then? Who qualifies for the militia and who is allowed to own firearms?

 

Here is the right wing, if they were honest, would be old white men, no women, nobody other then who they describe as Christian,(evangelical), people who they miss describe as patriots. Gun Heroes with the highest caliber guns and like all military as many uneducated people as they can find. No socialists or who they think are Commies . No Muslim , no Mexicans no blacks ,nobody that is any color other then milk white,

 

Have you missed all of my previous arguments where I detailed your concerns?

Natural rights are secured in State Constitutions. Defense of self and property is a natural right. Any questions?

 

How does any of this 'clarify' the 2nd, when the Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home....?