we live in the real world. we feel sorry for those of you who don't. We try to point out the idiocy that is the birther movement. why does reality frighten you so much?
Like I have said before Scott, I am being paid less for responding to Birther speculation, lies and innuendo than you are being paid to post it. Wierd how your mind works? Who called Tim Adams a racist? Who called Tim Adams a racist because he is bald. I know you won't answer because you don't like to step up to your claims. Meanwhile....I don't know whether Tim Adams is a racist or not. I do know that: A) Tim Adams made his claims for the first time on a racist/White Supremicist radio program. B) Tim Adams has never even claimed first hand knowledge of any of his claims- he always says it is based upon 2nd or 3d hand comments from unnamed parties. I love it when you claim 'common knowledge'. What that means is you can't find anyone that it has actually happened to. Seriously- everything in your paragraph is just the usual collection of Birther innuendo, specluation, and Birther lies. You want it to be true but 3 years later you still haven't got a single piece of actual evidence to support your fanatical faith.
Why do you keep posting in these threads? I don't start Birther conspiracy threads, I just respond to the speculation, innuendo and Birther lies that Birthers post. Stop posting speculation, innuendo and lies, and I will stop responding. Not that complicated.
There is talking and there is talking. If I posted that 'everyone knows that Sarah Palin is a high priced call girl" I woulld imagine - seriously I would hope- someone would challenge me to prove my assertion. Scott and the rest of the Birthers regularly make big claims but when challenged to back them up quickly change the subject. They act like politicians.
The Kapi'olani Medical Center for Women and Children in Honolulu posted on its website a letter on White House stationery dated January 24th (since scrubbed), in which Obama wrote, "As a beneficiary of the excellence of Kapi'olani Medical Center -- the place of my birth -- I am pleased to add my voice to your chorus of supporters" -- even though Obama himself has previously claimed to have been born at Queen's Medical Center in Honolulu, a claim backed up by his sister Maya. Until June 7th, even United Press International (UPI) and Snopes.com contained statements that Obama was born at the Queen's Medical Center in Honolulu. Here is a screen capture from Snopes.com that says, "Barack Hussein Obama was born at the Queen's Medical Center." Today, Snopes.com claims that "Barack Hussein Obama, was born on 4 August 1961 at the Kapiolani Medical Center." Snopes claims they made the change because Wikipedia made the change. Here is the UPI screen capture that claims Obama was born at Queens -- but now the UPI claims Kapiolani. Remember, Obama, himself, told UPI that he was born at Queens. So, because someone at the White House sent a letter to Kapiolani, all the websites that have been covering for Obama are now scrambling to scrub content that they have claimed as accurate for the last couple of years. In the summer of 2009, Press Secretary Gibbs was asked at press conference to confirm the letter, and after avoiding the question said he "didn't know" the name of Obama's birth hospital. http://www.theobamafile.com/_eligibility/Hospitals.htm
Saul Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals are so deeply ingrained in the Democrat Party that it’s difficult to tell where Alinsky begins and people like Barack Obama end. They are, basically, one and the same. To prove this point, Saul Alinsky’s son L. David Alinsky wrote a letter for the Obama campaign in 2008. “Obama learned his lesson well,” L. David Alinsky wrote. “I am proud to see that my father’s model for organizing is being applied successfully beyond local community organizing to affect the Democratic campaign in 2008. It is a fine tribute to Saul Alinsky as we approach his 100th birthday.” Barack Obama began his Alinsky worship very early in his career. According to a study on Alinsky, “in 1985 Obama began a four-year stint as a community organizer in Chicago, working for an Alinskyite group called the Developing Communities Project.” Obama spent his entire youth taking classes and later teaching workshops on Alinsky’s methods. He worked hard to follow Alinsky’s rule of “blending in”. “True revolutionaries do not flaunt their radicalism,” Alinsky writes. The trick is to penetrate existing institutions such as churches, unions and political parties. Apparently Barack hadn’t quite mastered the ‘blending in’ part when he was trying to build coalitions of black churches in Chicago—aka “penetrate the church from within”. It was learned that Obama himself didn’t attend church—so he became an instant churchgoer. Obama also helped fund the The Woods Fund, a nonprofit community-organizing group on which Obama served as paid director from 1999 to December 2002. On the board with Obama at the Woods Fund was William Ayers, the founder and terrorist of the Weather Underground. The Woods Fund provided funding for yet another community organizing group, Midwest Academy. Midwest describes itself as ‘one of the nation’s oldest and best-known schools for community organizations, citizen organizations and individuals committed to progressive social change.’ Like the Woods Fund, the Midwest Academy teaches Alinsky tactics of community organizing. In a July 2008 speech, then-Senator Obama was nearly 17 minutes into his speech in Colorado Springs, Colorado when he deviated from his pre-released teleprompter script and launched into a community organizing lecture: We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we’ve set. We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded. What the heck did he mean by that? The fact that Obama recently signed an executive order giving himself power in case of “peacetime martial law” is more than a little troubling, being that one of Alinsky’s rules is to cause civil disobedience. But I digress… So folks, it’s not like they’re trying to hide their agenda–they’ve given us their entire game plan and it’s all within the pages of Alinsky’s book. In my opinion, each of us should continuously study Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals and remain on our toes in recognizing Alinsky-like strategies when we see them. And since I really don’t want you to have to spend your hard-earned money on a Saul Alinsky book, following are some of the key Community Organizing tactics you need to be aware of (since the democrats are using these in full-force as we speak): 1. “Power is not only what you have, but what the enemy thinks you have.” 2. “Never go outside the expertise of your people. When an action or tactic is outside the experience of the people, the result is confusion, fear and retreat…. [and] the collapse of communication. 3. “Whenever possible, go outside the expertise of the enemy. Look for ways to increase insecurity, anxiety and uncertainty. (This happens all the time. Watch how many organizations under attack are blind-sided by seemingly irrelevant arguments that they are then forced to address.) 4. “Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules. You can kill them with this, for they can no more obey their own rules than the Christian church can live up to Christianity.” 5. “Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon. It is almost impossible to counteract ridicule. Also it infuriates the opposition, which then reacts to your advantage.” 6. “A good tactic is one your people enjoy.” 7. “A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag. Man can sustain militant interest in any issue for only a limited time….” 8. “Keep the pressure on, with different tactics and actions, and utilize all events of the period for your purpose.” 9. “The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself.” 10. “The major premise for tactics is the development of operations that will maintain a constant pressure upon the opposition. It is this unceasing pressure that results in the reactions from the opposition that are essential for the success of the campaign.” 11. “If you push a negative hard and deep enough, it will break through into its counterside… every positive has its negative.” 12. “The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative.” 13. Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it. In conflict tactics there are certain rules that [should be regarded] as universalities. One is that the opposition must be singled out as the target and ‘frozen.’…any target can always say, ‘Why do you center on me when there are others to blame as well?’ When you ‘freeze the target,’ you disregard these [rational but distracting] arguments…. Then, as you zero in and freeze your target and carry out your attack, all the ‘others’ come out of the woodwork very soon. They become visible by their support of the target…’ “One acts decisively only in the conviction that all the angels are on one side and all the devils on the other.”
The Kapi'olani Medical Center for Women and Children is the name of what began years ago as the smaller Queens hospital.. by now you birthers should know that.
Thanks for bumping this thread. Another example of Birthers predicting and promising something that of course never happened.
Kind of a nostalgic thread....memory of going down to the post office on 8/8/80 and registering on my 20th birthday.
Actually... no. Queen Kapi'olani was a person, and both hospitals were named after Hawaiian Queens. But they were never the same hospital. Kapi'olani was originally founded as the Kapiʻolani Maternity Home in 1890. It merged in 1978 with Kauikeolani Children’s Hospital (opened in 1909) to become the Kapiʻolani Medical Center for Women and Children in 1978. In 1961, when the President was born there, it was called the Kapiʻolani Maternity and Gynecological Hospital. Queen's Hospital is older, named after Queen Emalani and founded in 1859. The name was changed to The Queen's Medical Center in 1967. Until 1978, it was actually the larger (not the smaller) of the two hospitals. In fact, it's still the largest private Hospital in Hawaii. Nobody in an actual position to know has ever claimed that the President was born anywhere other than Kapi'olani. All references to a birth at Queen's Hospital point back to a single original source... an erroneous Wikipedia entry that was copied uncritically by journalists and others writing about Obama.
thanks frank, I thought there were two different hospitals. this "they were both called queens" narrative is relatively new in the birtherena... Obama’s sister, Maya Soetoro-NG was interviewed by Bennett Guira of Rainbow Edition, Volume 2, Issue 3 in November 2004. In this article, entitled “A New Face in Politics”, it is stated in the first paragraph “Barack Obama was born on August 4, 1961 at the Queen’s Medical Center in Honolulu, Hawaii.” [emphasis added] However, Maya Soetoro-Ng was interviewed again by Laurie Au with the Start Bulletin in February 2008 under the headline “Obama backers stress importance of caucuses”. In the Star Bulletin interview, Maya Soetoro-Ng stated: Barack Obama was born on August 4, 1961 at the Queen’s Medical Center in Honolulu, Hawaii. Obama lived here with his parents Barack Obama, Sr. and Ann Dunham until they divorced when he was two. Obama moved back to Hawaii when he was ten and lived with his grandmother Madelyn Dunham and half-sister of our very own, Maya Soetoro. They both attended Punahou School together when they both lived here. Ms. Soetoro explained, “He’s my brother. We share the same mother, though our fathers are different. His father was Barack Obama Sr., a Kenyan economist who met our mother at the East West Center. My father was our mother’s second husband after she divorced Obama. Soetoro was from Indonesia and in the late 1960s the family moved http://www.supremelaw.org/cc/obama/...harter_Schools_Rainbow_Edition_Newsletter.pdf http://www.theobamafile.com/_images/UPIFirstSaid.bmp
True. But Maya never said that, only the "reporter" (a high school kid) made that claim. As pointed out before, he got it from an erroneous Wikipedia entry. That is a lie. Nothing you quoted there is from the Star Bulletin article. In the Star Bulletin interview, this is what Maya Soetoro-Ng stated:
bennet guira, rainbow edition ? she was a high school student writing an essay ? she wrote it wrong in her story, then it was picked up by snopes and wikepedia ? what did berg have to do with it ?? did she ever interview maya soetoro ?? it's actually pretty funny, how rumors get started.
loren explains it here: http://barackryphal.blogspot.com/2010/04/birther-mythbusting-upi-and-queens.html
In the order asked: 1) Bennet Guira was a high school student who wrote for the "Rainbow Edition," the newspaper of the Education Laboratory School, a K-12 Charter School in Honolulu at which President Obama's sister Maya taught. 2) He was a high school student writing for his school newspaper. 3) He got the detail from Wikipedia, as did Snopes and at least one other newspaper article of which I am aware. 4) Berg had nothing to do with it. 5) He did interview Maya Soetoro-Ng. He even did a previous article about Maya's wedding. She was apparently a very popular teacher. 6) Yes. It's pretty funny.
1) thank 2) you 3) wonky.... 4) U R 5) how is annotated hayes coming along 6) ? so, this Bennett Guira was also an Obama staffer that managed the Obama campaign website too ? http://www.wnd.com/2009/07/103306/
No. The Campaign website allowed completely un-managed blogging by people unrelated to the campaign. The woman who posted the erroneous genealogy entry also got her information from the same Wikipedia entry.
this is pretty funny, we could all use a good laugh... [video=youtube;4nOBbzqfGw8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=4nOBbzqfGw8#at=35[/video]
