The Big Lie is (unfortunately) winning

Your feigning moral outrage, yes. Very much so. Considering that four years ago you were most likely guilty of doing similar.

 

We are talking about two very different things here. It is one thing to say an outside entity tried to influence the election, but a totally different thing to say that literally millions of fraudulent votes were counted in every state in the union.

 

Assuming they did introduce fraudulent ballots do you think they’re stupid enough to not reflect that with the proper number of envelopes?

Assuming they did introduce fraudulent ballots to give Biden the win, do you think they’re stupid enough to not make sure he got a super majority in Congress?

 

Indeed.

Carl Sagan describes this abnormality quite well:

"A fire-breathing dragon lives in my garage"

Suppose (I'm following a group therapy approach by the psychologist Richard Franklin) I seriously make such an assertion to you. Surely you'd want to check it out, see for yourself. There have been innumerable stories of dragons over the centuries, but no real evidence. What an opportunity!

"Show me," you say. I lead you to my garage. You look inside and see a ladder, empty paint cans, an old tricycle--but no dragon.

"Where's the dragon?" you ask.

"Oh, she's right here," I reply, waving vaguely. "I neglected to mention that she's an invisible dragon."

You propose spreading flour on the floor of the garage to capture the dragon's footprints.

"Good idea," I say, "but this dragon floats in the air."

Then you'll use an infrared sensor to detect the invisible fire.

"Good idea, but the invisible fire is also heatless."

You'll spray-paint the dragon and make her visible.

"Good idea, but she's an incorporeal dragon and the paint won't stick."

And so on. I counter every physical test you propose with a special explanation of why it won't work.

Now, what's the difference between an invisible, incorporeal, floating dragon who spits heatless fire and no dragon at all? If there's no way to disprove my contention, no conceivable experiment that would count against it, what does it mean to say that my dragon exists? Your inability to invalidate my hypothesis is not at all the same thing as proving it true. Claims that cannot be tested, assertions immune to disproof are veridically worthless, whatever value they may have in inspiring us or in exciting our sense of wonder. What I'm asking you to do comes down to believing, in the absence of evidence, on my say-so.

 

No, sorry it doesn’t work like that. You don’t get to turn a molehill into a mountain, then walk away from the consequences.

 

At least you are honest about your biases.

 

All forged. How much would it cost to have millions of ballots forged? How many people were involved? How long did it take? Where's the money trail? Where are the rightful owners of the ballots?

Shadow?

 

That wouldn’t be possible. That’s why they had to introduce the ballots AFTER they had been separated from the envelopes. Otherwise they’d have to fraudulently create tens of thousands of envelopes with personal information, in unique handwriting. The logistics of which would be absurd.

However if they could introduce fraudulent ballots AFTER they were separated from the envelopes the ONLY things they would have to do is adjust the databases and then stonewall a signature verification audit. Which is VERBATIM what they’ve done.

 

It wouldn’t take much at all. The democrats easily could get the template and paper type. Print out tens of thousands of ballots and fill them out.

Then have them introduced in 10-20 Democrat controlled Counties across the country using 2-3 people per county.

An easy feat for the democrat party.

 

But I have no hope of convincing you of anything.

You are intoxicated by Trump.

All the people who contradict him are liars, all the people who criticize him are traitors, all those who don't like him are unpatriotic.

The cult.

What is reassuring is that you have been politically neutralized by the majority of moderate voters.

 

Still not sure how they got states like Wyoming and Idaho to go along with it all.

But I am sure we will get the answer

 

What biases is that, exactly. You can’t spend four years trying to undermine our electoral process with bullshit Russian boogeymen conspiracies, then spend the next four years tearing your hair out over how the other cult is undermining democracy. I’m mean you can, but somebody is going to call you out for it.

 

They would need more than tens of thousands of ballots across the country, they would need tens of thousands of ballots in each and every county they did this in.

 

Using Trump logic, Utah went to Biden.

 

They literally withheld nuclear codes and told foreign enemies that they would warn them of attack.

You’re saying that’s not treason?

And you’re telling me the democrat party didn’t pay a foreign military agent to create a fake dossier and feed it to sympathetic people in the FBI to start a surveillance campaign on him?

Why the **** should those people be trusted?

 

The two things are not equal. No matter how much you spin it, they are not the same.

Outside influence is not the same as millions of fake votes being counted, and it never will be

 

That’s right. But they’d only need 10-20 counties. Biden’s numbers ALL came from massive democrat districts where he GROSSLY outperformed estimates. I’ll add this outperformance was shown NOWHERE else but those massive democrat counties.

Why? Because he ****ing cHeated and introduced fraudulent ballots in those counties. Otherwise we would see that same disproportionate outperformance in smaller democrat counties. But we don’t. We actually see him UNDERperforming there.

 

I did have a hard core Trumper tell me multiple times Utah as a blue state

 

You didn't answer any of my questions. Not a single one. Here's what you're doing:

"A fire-breathing dragon lives in my garage"

Suppose (I'm following a group therapy approach by the psychologist Richard Franklin) I seriously make such an assertion to you. Surely you'd want to check it out, see for yourself. There have been innumerable stories of dragons over the centuries, but no real evidence. What an opportunity!

"Show me," you say. I lead you to my garage. You look inside and see a ladder, empty paint cans, an old tricycle--but no dragon.

"Where's the dragon?" you ask.

"Oh, she's right here," I reply, waving vaguely. "I neglected to mention that she's an invisible dragon."

You propose spreading flour on the floor of the garage to capture the dragon's footprints.

"Good idea," I say, "but this dragon floats in the air."

Then you'll use an infrared sensor to detect the invisible fire.

"Good idea, but the invisible fire is also heatless."

You'll spray-paint the dragon and make her visible.

"Good idea, but she's an incorporeal dragon and the paint won't stick."

And so on. I counter every physical test you propose with a special explanation of why it won't work.

Now, what's the difference between an invisible, incorporeal, floating dragon who spits heatless fire and no dragon at all? If there's no way to disprove my contention, no conceivable experiment that would count against it, what does it mean to say that my dragon exists? Your inability to invalidate my hypothesis is not at all the same thing as proving it true. Claims that cannot be tested, assertions immune to disproof are veridically worthless, whatever value they may have in inspiring us or in exciting our sense of wonder. What I'm asking you to do comes down to believing, in the absence of evidence, on my say-so.

 

Whether I feign moral outrage or not is of little importance.

What is important is the level of fear that Trumpists inspire in the country and that they are now the most powerful motivator in history to get out the liberal/moderate vote.

 

This is not true, Biden outperformed Hillary in every state in the union.

Biden gained a higher percent of votes over Hillary than Trump did over 2016 in all but 5 states, and those were all blue states. So, for your story to be accurate every state in the union would have to have been in on it

 

You mean kind of like the democrats are doing about the vote and election being legitimate?

 

Source that. I know he performed better in the overall in some states because those large democrat counties had exaggerated numbers.

None of this pontification would be a discussion if you’d just allow a signature verification audit.

 

He also outperformed Obama with only half of the counties and only one of the 18 bellweather counties. Of course this defies all logic but hey…

 

The two things aren’t equal, because you don’t want them to be equal. Outside influences didn’t get trump elected. A failure in American institutions, a flawed democrat candidate, and a flawed EC got trump elected.