The Big Lie is (unfortunately) winning

Those happier times had two political parties that basically wanted the same things and offered a different approach. Both sides recognized the others right to differ and worked to compromise to reach a common goal. In the years following WW2 we were as close to being one nation as we have ever been because we had joined forces to survive and defeat a great evil.

Which side is furthest from 1950's politics?

 

'They' (CIA Director, Secretary of State, Joint Chiefs of Staff, and so many others) are all people that Trump has appointed, who have been around him, and who have concluded that he is crazy.

 

Let's use your own logic, shall we?

Your refusal to answer my questions means you're hiding something. You could fix that by simply answering the questions. Therefore, you are cheating.

Lol. Give it up. Sagan's dragon is much more believable.

 

He got a smaller percent of the vote than Obama. There just happened to be 25 million more people of voting age when Biden ran than when Obama did.

 

It’s like you live in a fairy tale world.

I am ASKING for a process to be done which provides PROOF one way or another.

You’re telling me I don’t need the process done, I just should trust everyone telling me the vote was legitimate.

Which of us is advocating for the dragon?

Because I want PROOF. You’re telling me I don’t need it and I should just trust.

 

They are not equal because they are not equal. You want them to be because of your biases, but they never will be.

 

Noticed you ignored the pertinent part of my post.

 

No, I ignored the irrelevant part of your post.

 

Nah Biden is just such a strong candidate he didn’t need any bellwethers to win like every other president in the history of the US. He just needed large dem counties with absurdly high turnout on his behalf.

 

Ah, facts not your thing.

 

You’re dripping in your own biases. That much is apparent.
Once again, outside influences didn’t get someone like trump elected. A failure in America institutions, a flawed democratic candidate, and a flawed EC system got someone like trump elected. You latched on too the easiest culprit, and blew it out of proportion, and planted the seed for the conspiracy nutter nonsense.
You’re partially responsible, deal with it.

 

Here is the percent of change for both candidates. For Biden it is compared to what Hillary got and for Trump is is compared to his 2016 numbers. I was wrong about them all being blue, I forgot about Fla being in there.

 

I agree. Never said they did.

I am just comparing the two claims.

I am a sports fan, so lets try this comparison.

Team A says that the Refs were biased in favor of Team B and that is why they won.

Next time they play, Team B claims the score keeper added 21 points that were not actually scored.


Would you look at those two claims and think they were equal in what they are claiming?

 

only ones that matter.

 

Not that I think you purposefully did anything to the numbers, but I’d prefer the actual source.

 

You’re still ignoring the root cause of why team A would blame the refs, and team B blaming the score keeper. Calling the results of the game into question, is ummm still calling the results of the game into question, no matter the method.

 

I got the numbers here

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_United_States_presidential_election#Results_by_state

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_United_States_presidential_election#Results_by_state


Put them into a spreadsheet and calculated the percent of change using this formula. 2020 total - 2016 total/2016 total

Feel free to dismiss them because they came from Wikipeida, that is all you have left.

 

Nobody cares what you want. What you need is evidence. Conspiracy theories are not evidence.

Again,

How much would it cost to have millions of ballots forged? How many people were involved? How long did it take? Where's the money trail? Where are the rightful owners of the ballots?

 

Yes, they both call the game into question, but they are not equal claims. That is the point. A point you cannot be allowed to admit to

 

All facts matter but I get it. You are a Biden supporter.

 

Nutty Russian conspiracies, aren’t equal to nutty stolen election conspiracies. Got it.
Who’s being biased?

 

What has history shown us every time the left rallies around (a big lie) And now you guys get your feelings hurt that you can't convince anyone with your credibility?
Its the lefts lack of self awareness that has proven time and time again that the left is not to be trusted on ANY account. Need a few examples?
Everyone must be vaccinated. Even those who already had Covid. Its the only way we reach herd immunity
The cop was beaten to death at the capital with a fire extinguisher
Trump is a planted Russian agent
Kavanaugh is an alcoholic high school serial rapist
The Covington Catholic kids are all white supremist
Everyone on the planet will be dead in 12 years
Trump was in charge of an insurrection
The nuclear football was taken away from Trump
Milley was protecting the country from nuclear war

I could go on with hundreds more. The point is, every time the left comes out with another claim, its looked at as fake which is why the country is moving away from your fantasies.
Need more proof, Biden dropping in approval rating by double digits in a matter of weeks shows a huge amount of buyers remorse.

The more the left screams about the big lie, the more the country finds it credible. Thats the self aware part I was talking about.



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Not all facts matter to every discussion. If we are discussing the election and I give the fact that the sun came up today, that fact is not relevant to the discussion, thus it does not matter.

 

No, saying that someone influenced the election will never be the same as saying that there were millions of fraudulent votes counted in the election.

You are still the one being biased, nothing has changed

 

I think this is changing. People are getting burnt out on hearing that elections were stolen. The fact that Trump and Elder tired the big lie in the blowout win for Newsome in Cali just turns off more people from ever believing it.

The more times they shout it, the less people will listen to it.