The demise of the Labor Party in Australia.

Plenty more superanuation funds left. Hey Magoo, look on the bright side, we`ll all have fibre to the home internet service. So why worry? AND free ice cream!

 

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The international bankers guild running the UN can demand that Australian tax payers guarantee $4billion in contributions in free aid ever year for strangers, but there is no money left in the coffers to fund the National Disability Insurance Scheme for Australians any longer than 4 years…

In 2015, this amount doubles to $8billion in free aid. LOL

There is a simple solution to the problem. Either the Australian people want this money used to help and fund urgent Australian schemes and projects, or they want to do without so the money can support and help foreign countries and foreign people.

Either way, make a decision, and stop whinging and whining about not having enough money when $4billion, and increasing to $8billion in 2015, is being given away to help strangers over yourselves.

Hells Bells people, stop blaming politicians for raising taxes or raiding funds and bank accounts, when you can also see for yourselves what is happening and where the money is being spent - make a decision and stick with it.

 

Well, only two more State Governments to go and Labor will be non-existent....(excluding the ACT of course)
Every State will have the Labor Party in Opposition...that means with every State Government aligned with the Federal Government it will be easier to increase the GST, as presumably every State Government will vote for a bigger slice of the pie....

Aint life grand.....

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(PS I can dance like that........................)

 

Can't see any issue with raising the GST. It is just whether Abbott has the balls to go all Gillard on us and break a promise. Stupid promise if you ask me. Talking to a cross section of society over the last few months and most admit that it is time the GST went up. These pollies truly believe the public have no brains.

 

Once the GST goes up, there is no stopping. It will go up and up and up, regardless of government.
Now it looks like Hockey/Abbotts have realized, that it wasn't all Labors mistake, revenues are not pouring in the way they were.
And they will do exately what they promised not to do, raising the taxes.
Its like with Gillards, remember her promise?

I think we need a completely new approach for our country and future, and the answer is certainly not Labor or LIBs. Those old traditions have failed over and over again. It started with Howard, who massively failed to modernize our country and mindsets. Rudd was a rising star, but caught within his own world, Gillard was on the right track with ETS and some other issues, but had to bow down to the (*)(*)(*)(*)ing Unions and the Murdoch Empire.

Make me King of Australia, and I will sort it. I promise (at least until I am elected)....

Cheerio

 

Cats, how do you see us paying for health, education, roads, water, welfare, environmental concerns, meeting our humanitarian aid promises, etc.,etc.,etc?

Seriously think about how these things are paid for. Australia is going broke as it can not raise enough revenue to pay its bills. Why do you think these fools in politics readily jump at selling off assets ? It is a quick fix to a major problem.

It is a simple case of not being able to meet our commitments.

So Cats unless you have a better solution. Be happy to hear it.

 

SF,
if Labor would have said they needed to raise taxes or more preciously GST, LIBs would have gone after them without giving them a second to catch their breath. The media would have made mince meat of Gillard/Rudd, and now it is okay?
LIBs will do exately that, raising taxes, and we should buy it? It would make Abbott's even a bigger liar than Gillard!!!!

We don't have any long term strategies, since the early 1990s, with exception of Gillard.

It must have been clear even for the narrow mind-est that the mining boom won't last forever.

Where are we today, what can we do to stay in business? Selling off our assets????

What we have in abundance is sunshine, energy, I would create the biggest solar park in the southern hemisphere, and selling the energy to our neighbours.

Of course for such a big project a lot of money is needed, and I think in a world concerned of bursting nuclear power stations and harmful emissions in our atmosphere, there would be a good chance to get all our neighbours on board. It would be a long term project, which would finally put the mining business as a children's playground aside.

For such huge projects we need leaders with visions, and not extremely narrow minded and backwards orientated Abbott's and Co.

Regards

 

Its gone past politics now. It is about economic survival. Yes the Libs would of cried foul if Labor put the GST up. That is what these moron political parties do. But it is now past the point of politics, measures have to be taken now. No point trying to do it when you have gone broke.

I love the fact you stand by your convictions Cat, I may not always agree, but I do respect it. However you do know who our neighbours are ? Good chance they will turn around and tell us to jam it up our ring.

I don't disagree with your points or your ideas. To do what you are suggesting would take decades to organise and implement. We don't have that. Part of me would love to see us go broke, this may just force Australians to give up their selfish attitude and spoilt lifestyle, but a lot of heartache would come from that.

Cats we need income and we need it now. I had lunch with some German business men before Christmas and they believe that Australias biggest downfall was only having a GST of ten percent. For a country of our size and lack of revenue base, we need at least a 15 % GST. I am no economist but they seem to make more sense the monkeys we have in Canberra.

 

Hmmm,
Germany has a GST of 19%, as far as I know. Yeap and they are building cars, the world wants and needs. And they are trying to get out of coal and nuclear. Those Germans must have a better understanding, of how to run a successful and sustainable business.

Without having a plan, and our current government has no plan at all, the raise of our GST may reduce our debts, but won't change the overall situation. Bye the way, did you hear, that we got enough money to boost our army?????

Once we have a far reaching plan for our future, a raise of the GST/medicare levy is fine with me. As long our government argues less governing is more governing, we are doomed.
Better we go broke.

And I think we have 20 or 30 years to get it right. Our neighbours by the way are not only insulted Indonesians, which don't trust us, they are only one Asian country out of many. A clever grid would span around Asia.

Ok, I am a dreamer, but I know for a fact it would work. In my head anyway.

Sorry for running off topic now.

Enjoy your Sunday, cheerio

 

The German government is over 2 trillion Euros in debt, their debt to GDP ratio is around 80%, compared to Australian debt to GDP ratio of around 22%. There is a long way to go before Australia's debt comes close to being anywhere near as bad as Germany's, or most other developed nations.

 

They also have a much bigger revenue base, one of the most robust manufacturing inddustries in the world, and unfortunately for them they are carrying the Euro.

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Don't disagree with anything you have said.

 

I thought debt to GDP is primarily based on income and would suggest no matter how robust their manufacturing sector they are still over their heads in debt compared to us.

 

debts are not a real worry to me, as long as our future is robust and sustainable.....
It will take most of us 25 to 30 years, to pay our homes off. Nothing wrong there, is it? I mean we have accepted that and live with it.
Yes the German industry is bigger, so are their debts, but this nation is still moving forward, compared to us...

 

So Australia is going broke, funny no body seems to know about it. We are at the moment preparing to spend around 2 to 4 billion on chocolate easter eggs. We just spent 3-4 billion on cards flowers and chocolates and a few months ago around 18 billion on cards, decorations, food and presents for Christmas. WE spend billions each year on speeding fines, put billions into the one arm, oops multibuttoned bandits, a few billion each year on the ponies, billions on Macca and his mates. I wish I was as broke as Australia.

 

Australians =/= Australian government. My budget is not your concern. I'll spend as much as I like on chocolate, cards, and flowers.

Anyway, Labor will come back because the state cannot function without the left/right dichotomy. The two parties have really hit the most efficient method of obtaining the perks of office and assuring reelection.

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I'm surprised so many people feel comforted by the tyranny of democracy. I'm even more surprised that nobody seems to have any idea what democracy is. Anything positive is branded as democracy; we're spreading democracy in the Middle East, our system of government is democratic, etc. It's just a word. A word used to conjure up a particular reaction in the public.

 

Yeap,
Labor will come back, still whoring with the Unions....
Until then, LIBs will dictate our demise, getting a hard one every time they can spend money on our army, but unwilling and unable to govern us in a positive sustainable future.
Cheerio

 

I like Abbott's rhetoric about his cabinet having deregulatory tendencies, but really the best he will do is keep the growth of government at a constant, rather than accelerating rate. Is that a win? Not really, imo.

Politics is a farce; a game, the whole lot of it. Take the boat people issue. Both sides know that boat arrivals are an insignificant portion of total arrivals. Both sides know that if they hadn't bought up the issue, nobody would notice any change whatsoever in day to day life. But it furthers their interests to bicker over it. Helps them ensure reelection, and the perks of office.

I voted in the Federal election. I will not vote in the WA senate do-over, and I won't vote again. Why waste 30 minutes of my day?

 

Its becomming laughable that these idiots are voting in the same clowns with different face paint at every election, and they get dementia every 3 years by forgetting why they unelected them.

You cannot blame the politicians anymore, when the majority of these dumbarse Australians wouldn't know whether they are Arthur or Martha without looking between their legs first.

 

Don't get me wrong, I hate democracy.