"The Earth Climate has always changed..."

You see this comment used often by deniers to prove in their mind that Anthropological Global warming is false. They say it as if its some new break through that no one has ever thought of.

Well hears a news flash. Believe it or not Scientists have always known this, not only so they know this, they, and would you believe this, are the ones you came up with this conclusion in the first place. Yes, it is true. Scientists are well aware that the Earths climate hasn't been the same for the last 5 or so billion years this earth has been here. They also are aware of the Earths fluctuations, Suns cycles, Ocean currents and the such. And believe it or not, they actually figure this data into their climate models!

 

I plead not guilty to murder your honour as people have always died, ergo it's impossible for me to have murdered anyone. Totally natural, or are you saying that death can only be caused by humans?

 

But but but, climate has always changed because it just does, you know!!!

Nothing has to CAUSE change - it just DOES!!

I honestly think these people must also have the same belief about underwear - it just changes by itself!!

 

What data? Climate models aren't even able to match past warmings and coolings, what makes you think they can predict the unknown when they can't predict the known?

 

Well, the argument then becomes, they were not off that much. They are so far off that they have to average them and use different runs of the average to have a range so they can still not match the model but get close but still high.

 

You don't believe the climate has changed over the past millennial?

 

What do you mean "what data?

Love the way denialists keep screaming that there is no data/research/body of knowledge without actually looking at the published papers

 

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Should have made it more obvious I was joking

Yes, there has been climate change in the past and we have explanations for each of the times it has occurred due to being able to link to changes in orbit or solar activity. What we do NOT have is an explanation outside of human influence to cause THIS change

 

Likewise, forest fires have always happened in the past without any human causes so they are obviously entirely natural, therefore whatever evidence forest rangers may have concerning unattended campfires, lit cigarette butts or deliberate arson, it is clearly impossible for any forest fires to be anthropogenic in origin. {denier cult logic}

 

Strawman fallacy. You cannot equate known causes with theoretical causes.

 

Why does it matter?

 

well, if you consider not being able to predict known data sets AT ALL as "not off by that much".....okey dokey...

 

Well they know quite a bit thar Bubbas. Basic geology answers the questions. Problem is folks is just too stoopid to understand thangs.

 

My favorite answer for THIS is the usual (plz don't think this is spam if it's true, again) we are in the early phases, of Mass Extinction Event 6, which will have a real shot, at making humans, into an endangered species.

AND the reason we know this is the extinction rate is projected at over 100 x normal, AND every time CO2 has risen partly as fast as it is rising, in atmospheric concentration is it overloads all the exchanges, creatures can't adapt, starting with water creatures, which all tend to die off, and then a lot of land creatures die, from a host of problems, which always accrue.

We have five mass extinction events, all at least 65 million years ago AND a PETM extinction, 56 m.y.a. We'll challenge all of them, for top killer of all time, unless we are all smart and acting, together, to re-green deserts and polluted areas, and maintaining a lot of obsessive media, like a drug war, with a big carbon footprint is OUT, soon, or else.

We just can't make it, with crazy anal-retentives and obsessive-compulsives ruling all agendas. Humans will go extinct, if all the damage which can get done does get done.

It won't matter, when we're dead, but hey! We CAN all get dead. Like I wrote, sea life and fresh water life starts to have real trouble, first. Things like droughts affect forests, which like North American pine forests get eaten up, by pine beetles, and then they BURN. CO2 respiration is already negatively affected, by CHAINSAWS.

Heard of humans? We could all die off, you know. Just saying. It'd better matter, to somebody.

 

No you took that wrong. Why does it matter means we will (*)(*)(*)(*)(*) and cry about it but very few people will do a (*)(*)(*)(*) thing about it. They want the government o make it better. Well the (*)(*)(*)(*) solution starts at home. When Al Gore starts driving a Smart Car and has a small efficient home I might change my view. Until that time it is all name calling and blame and the shedding of responsibility.

 

Denier cult fallacy = non-comprehension + denial of reality.

The analogy is actually an excellent one.

The causes of the current abrupt warming trend and the consequent observed climate changes are, in fact, known quite well at this point. Mankind has raised atmospheric levels of a powerful greenhouse gas, carbon dioxide, by about 40%, to levels not seen on Earth for over 800,000 years.

 

OK, I see how that conservation stuff works, at home.

Still, we have an awful lot of corruption, with a carbon footprint, and somebody needs to cut the carbon footprint, of the drug war, while swinging hemp, from contraband, to CO2-neutral biomass.

Where can we SAVE, by cutting corruption and carbon footprint, while creating an instant RESOURCE, by removing hemp, from the prejudicial Schedule I CS, which the Feds have it on, in order to deflect, for petroleum interests?

Hey, if smack or cocaine were competition, for oil companies to suppress, they'd be Schedule I CS items, as well. But NOOO.

We re-green, or we die. That dying can be at home, for some people, who will lose their share, of human habitat, soon, given climate change and the failure of administrations, to notice how warming is playing out. It is playing out, to Mass Extinction Event 6, and administrators and media geeks are all stonewalling this AND the transitions and tipping points, as warming causes climate change, which is degenerating into a mass extinction event.

Just saying. The game needs to get going, outside the home, already.

 

Why are you basing what YOU do on Al Gore? And on the smear campaign at that? If Al Gore is not to be believed why base YOUR actions on his?

Perhaps a better model for yourself would be Lord Monckton

 

The alarmists are certain they are right but the facts prove differently.

Norwegian Climate Professor: Hansen’s Projection Off By 150%…Regrettable That Politicians Still View It As Reliable

 

How hoosier's norweigan pal Dr. Jan-Erik Solheim gets it completely wrong:

1. Hansen's scenario A worst-case prediction only predict 0.7C surface warming, not 1.5C. Oops.

2. Non-CO2 greenhouse gas emissions were much lower than the Hansen assumptions, meaning scenario B is the one more closely matching real emissions.

3. His plotting of the actual temperature is just crazy wrong. Instead of the current HadCRUT4, he uses the outdated hadCRUT3, which has a large known cool bias.

Actual emissions were closest to scenario B, but current temps are closest to scenario A. The error in Hansen's prediction is that it _underpredicts_ temperature rise by a little. It's too conservative. The world has heated a little more than Hansen predicted.

It's odd that, even though no one is using Hansen's 1988 model any longer (being it's 24 years later), all of the denialists are still fixated on it. To them, this is purely a political/religious issue. James Hansen is some sort of demonic figure to them, along with Al Gore, so Hansen must be destroyed.

 

And yet they will believe the likes of Lord Monckton - go figure!

Meanwhile here is the analysis of Solheim
http://www.skepticalscience.com/news.php?n=1502

 

It is pointless! This is not a US issue it is a world issue. How we slow global pollution is bring manufacturing back to the us by loosening regulations a little while still staying cleaner than China. Thh bad Amerikan people are addicted to cheap (*)(*)(*)(*). No I do not blame China either it is just good business for them I blame US.

I wholly believe in the cyclic nature of the Global climate. I believe in climate change and I really do not think there is a thing we can do about it. I am anti pollution though and if I have to support the sky is falling crowd to help clean things up than so be it. My views on solutions are much different though.

 

80 million barrels of oil per day

That is what the world is burning up

i personally just love that the US, having polluted for all those years is now grizzling about China!!

 

Well I am not going to sweat it too much I know some people over there and though I would not get rich I could make a decent living there.

 

Then why join the debate?