The Fair Vote

Maybe in FrenchLand

Geographical representation has always been part of "democracy"
as old as the Constitution and the compromises that united
13 very different in culture, colonies to the UNITED STATES of America.

Euros will never get it.
They aren't so "blessed"

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Why not go do something useful like bring dust off your guillotine.
The French knew of the American Revolution and Constitutional gov't
but opted for a more "French Experience".
How many Republics so far


Moi

No
The France of North America​

 

Please

Explain it to @LafayetteBis

Sadly, some who do not know the history of it all . . .
or some are in a "mental block" mode.

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Geographic "democracy"
makes it more difficult for a few regions of highly concentrated population
to be "rulers" or even abusers of the whole nation.
Not impossible, just more difficult.


If Hillary had been a tad more popular in the great, red middle
to win one more State, she would have been President.
I imagine it is tougher picking up all those little States as Trump did



PLEASE, DON'T GIVE ME THE DERIVATION OF THE WORD DEMOCRACY.
That's ancient Greek stuff.

 

It is goodness that this "debate" (in the matter of the EC) is coming to a head. It is now more than two-centuries that these awesome mistakes (Gerrymandering and the EC) have troubled our electoral system - both national and in the states.

But neither do I think it will be solved tomorrow.

The risk taken (by those on the Left) is that it will be forgot - even beyond the next election. Let's face it, if the American populace could have elected this incompetent-jerk, in the present mindset-mentality they could also re-elect him.

The only straw-of-hope is the young. They have in a sense, woken-up. But, they are not in the majority today. So, it could actually take another few decades before a younger majority of Center-Left voters is able to vote the necessary changes.

The real problem is a Watts-like uprising that occurs whereupon absolute despair ignites a passionate reaction, and people take to the streets with guns.

Can't happen? Oh yes it can in a country ridden with guns ...

 

I've always said that we have Trump as president due to the choices, actions and decisions made by both major parties back in 2016. I firmly believe that almost any other Democrat, alive or dead would have trounced Trump other than Hillary Clinton. The Democrats nominated the only candidate that could have possibly lost to Trump.

25% of all Americans disliked and didn't want neither Trump nor Clinton to become their next president. That included 54% of all independents.

https://news.gallup.com/opinion/pol...mericans-dislike-presidential-candidates.aspx

We had an election where 56% of all Americans viewed one candidate negatively, 60% the other candidate. Never before in our history has either party nominated a candidate viewed by more than 50% negatively or unfavorably. In other words, most Americans viewed 2016 as an election between two bum and unwanted candidates. The highest unfavorable rating prior to 2016 by any major party candidate, 47% by Barry Goldwater back in 1964. Questions 10 and 11 on the favorable/unfavorable ratings on election day.

https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/l37rosbwjp/econTabReport_lv.pdf

the only ones who wanted either one to become president was their supporters.

Will we make changes to the electoral college remains to be seen. I think its highly doubtful. Only the party the sees the electoral college as a disadvantage will want to make changes. The party which sees the electoral college an advantage won't let changes happen. Today it's the democrats who want changes, in the future it may be the Republicans. Actually, this time around, it looks like the electoral college is favoring the Democrats. If so, forget about the compact.

 

Uh, but she didn't lose the popular-vote election. (You know, the only one that counts?)

And she won the popular-vote by a very significant margin of 2%. As presidential election popular-vote margins go, that's pretty damn good.

Except in an America that manipulates the popular-vote in the Electoral College, and what do we get?

A Donald Dork ...

 

Couldn't help it. You were so laughingly wrong.

The ancient Greek "stuff" is what propels genuine "democracies" around the world today ...

 

Goodness. How historically numb can one get.

All those different immigrants that initially built the foundation of "America" were from one place - called Europe. Which had forbidden slavery centuries before the US got around to it after a Civil War.

But what happened in America? The migrants from Europe during Agricultural Era saw "Good Business" in buying slaves to do the hard work, whilst they could build palatial accommodations with their profits.

George Washington (born in England where slavery had already been abolished) from here:

Benjamin Franklin and slavery from here:

Alexander Hamilton's views of slavery from here:

The Founding Fathers and Slavery:

I must thank you for sparking (in me) the interest the Founding Fathers actually had in slavery, which was very much an issue amongst them. There was considerable north/south division from the get-go of the American nation regarding slavery.

It took a war and 618,000 deaths to settle the matter - but even then one wonders ...

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Uhm Trump would never of been nominated if Obama never became president

Uhm Trump would never of been nominated if hillary and the DNC didnt rig the DNC nomination

 

YOU Know Nothing Jean Neige
ref.: Game of Thrones



"George Washington was born at Pope's Creek in 1732. Located in Westmoreland County, Virginia, Popes Creek Plantation (also known as Wakefield) was the birthplace of George Washington. Augustine Washington, his father, built the plantation house in the 1720s. . . "




When was the last time France had a Non Parisian as a President or Emperor ?
I mean not living in Paris nor too nearby upon election. Napoleon.
Just curious.





2 recommendations

1) https://www.amazon.com/Cartoon-History-United-States-Guide/dp/0062730983
Well researched and college level. Excellent bibliography.

2)
The scenes are not historically accurate but the verse of the songs
are lifted from persons' private papers, mostly.

 

Didn't read latest anti EC troll thread.

Love the name of it though, "Fair Vote" kind of like "Affordable Care Act."

Are you they fooling you? Me neither.

In case they are, read or reread "1984."

 

No kidding, I cant believe he tried to say George Washington was born in GB.

 

I am so proud of

YOU Know Nothing Jean Neige​

as an expression for @LafayetteBis .
I guess I should be ashamed of Moiself.
Y'think he get the inside GoT joke of it?

 

You can look at it that way. I look at it as 52% of all Americans voted against her, 54% voted against Trump. A majority of Americans voted against each. A majority of Americans didn't want either one to become president. In reality, both candidates lost the popular vote.

 

the electoral college is the fair vote as we are a republic not a democracy.. Trump is a better representation of what Americans want than was Hiltlary Klingon

 

It will never get enough support and it would be unenforceable if passed. States cannot engage in a compact between themselves without the approval of the US Congress. Once you put enforcement into it it becomes a compact and unconstitutional. And the first time the voters in California see that their electoral votes would be going from Trump JR as he runs for his fathers position they would revolt and demand they not abide by the agreement. The legislature would step in and choose the electors.

 

Or else they would have a lock for years.

 

You believe republicans have a lock in the house for multiple election cycles? Or the presidency?

 

Why didn’t Americans vote that way then?

 

Have, right now? I don't think anyone has a lock on anything especially the House.

 

Did I miss something, Hillary is president?

 

They did in 30 states compared to her 21.

 

So you telling us the popular vote means nothing, are you sure?

The OP insists it does

 

There are 51 popular votes, unique to themselves, that day and they mean what they mean in the states in which those votes take place and nothing more. There is no national "the" popular vote taken, you vote in your state election I vote in mine. Then the Electors we voted for in each of those separate and unique votes cast their votes on behalf of the STATE so that the STATES elect the President. The People don't elect the President they elect Electors to vote on their States behalf IF the state legislature decides that is they way the want to do it. It does NOT have to even allow you to vote for those electors, your state legislature could vote that they would select them and not by a vote of the citizens of the state.

 

Americans are people.
Not states.

Try again.

 

You are aware that more Americans voted against trump than voted for him, yes?