The Fair Vote

Any income tax (of course) is progressive. And ridiculously low in the US, which is why we have such a disordinate Income Disparity.

A sales tax, however, is indeed a constant amount - depending upon the whimsy of any central-government ...

 

Same as bill , what's your point ?

 

The live in states, however, that are managed by Governors and State Legislatures.

Ditto for the Federal Government - PotUS and Chambers of Congress.

Supposedly all elected by fair voting measures. Key word, "supposedly". In reality, alas, no, not in America ...

 

Gold plated urinals in government agency's is the answer to income inequality, who knew?

 

"Look" as you like.

In some places on earth, once upon a time, long, long ago your POV was exactly that of the Communist Government in Russia. Only the CP could be and do "what was right". It was pure domination of electoral power by the Left.

How times change! Now the shoe is on the other foot ... and it is the Rabid-Right dominating illicitly the electoral-vote ...

 

Pour moi-mème, It only hurts when I laugh ... ;^)

 

So when are you going to post again that George Washington was born in England?

Just curious.. I want to get some popcorn ready

 

It's a waste of time putting such pertinent questions. They (the dunces who knee-jerk at the Replicant-flag) could care less about either the "truth" or "as it is interpreted by fact".

They are all blind to any program that they can label as "Left-wing". Even if it can be proven that some Social Democrat programs like National Healhtcare and both save and prolong lives.

Whaddaya gonna do ... ?*

*Move to Europe as I did. Why not? The historical-tide is now in the opposite direction. (There are at the very least 600,000 Yanks who live in Europe - not counting American forces.) For a long as Europe has a first-rate National Healthcare Service and nearly-free Tertiary Education, I cannot see the "why-not" move to Europe but in positive terms. (Well, yes, it aint easy. First one has to get hired by a French-firm. THEN and only then can they get a Work Permit that allows a family to have all the primary rights that I mention (Healthcare and Post-secondary schooling). And not all people can get used to other "ways of doing things".)

 

It seems you like a direct democracy, myself the representative republic. One of the reasons our framers and founders went with the representative republic was the fear of mob rule. The majority over the minority. So they provided certain checks on that. I'm not saying that changes are not needed. But when we talk about the presidency, whomever that is, should be elected by a majority of the people. Do you have a problem with that? It seems so.

 

Try want again? The States elect the President there is no constitutional mandate the People vote for President especially in some national vote.

 

Only in 21 of the elections in the other 30 more voted for Trump.

 

Nope, I quite like a representative republic, but one without an Manipulative EC or Gerrymandering! (Dammit, that should be obvious!)

You should really read a history of those times.

Both Franklin and Hamilton came to France at the height of its revolt against the French King. (In fact, the restaurant where they met - the oldest in Paris and called the Le Procope is still open till this day - see history here). As it were, both efforts went off in different directions. But clearly, their focus was on the common domination by a King of both countries.

At the time, common revolt was not the peak issue. Frankly, it was a tough question regarding "How do we proclaim the freedom of individuals to decide their destiny - AND NOT SAY A DAMN THING ABOUT SLAVERY!

Because if the slaves were freed, even Washington saw that it was the end of his Mount Vernon and his wealth. Washington was really quite meek about "independence for all". It was Jefferson who, in 1784, proposed to ban slavery in all the Western Territories, which failed to pass Congress by one vote. The question was finally settled in 1864. (And I wont go on about blacks in America today. But, I will say they are freer in opportunity* in France than they are in the US!)

Not at all. And you know very well "my problem"

It's the illicit manner in which we elect both the Executive head and the Legislature.

*Howzat? Blacks like whites in France have help in living well above the Poverty Threshold only because they were able sustain families whilst they worked to get beyond that barrier and now most have had children who get out because they have the right schooling-credentials.

 

If you're serious about having a majority of Americans electing the president, that means 50% plus one vote. Hillary failed to receive a majority. I'd be more than willing to go to a three tier system.

1 popular vote, if any candidate received a majority of the vote, 50% plus one. That candidate is decleared the president. If not, go to step two.
2. Electoral college, if any candidate receives a majority of the electoral college vote, 50% plus one, 270 currently, the candidate is declared president. If not, go to step three.
3 The presidency will be decided in the House of Representatives as currently described in the Constitution.

 

Oh, cut the cr*p - will you?

In any modern democracy OTHER THAN THE US she'd be the Executive head of government!

A truthful notion which should provoke the question, "Well, what happened"?

The answer to which is that present voting systems MANIPULATE the popular-vote at the Electoral College leveL;

And five times in the nation's history the EC has elected the LOSER OF THE POPULAR VOTE!

Whilst the very evidence of that last statement should be obvious to any intelligent person. Such should be impossible in a Truly Democratic country!

Once again, we must go back to this key-question: "What in heaven's name does it take to get the American public up-in-arms regarding such a blatant manipulation of the popular-vote?"

Most Europeans once-upon-a-time not long ago looked at the US with great respect for the fact that it (and four another nations) fought to free Europe the blatant slavery of Nazin hegemony.

But, questions are beginning to arise, especially amongst the young for whom WW2 is just a mention in a history book they may be studying. Any American with sufficient brain-cells should be asking, "What in heaven's name is going on with the present election-systems in this country?"

But they aren't ...

 

Many other European countries their president or equivalent, they must receive a majority of the vote. 50% plus one. Some have two or more rounds of elections. The reality of the situation in 2016, a majority of Americans voted against both Trump 54% and Clinton 52%.

 

That is the Republican agenda.

 

Pray tell, how can a majority in a two-party election vote AGAINST both candidates? Do you mean of the Total Popular-vote?

Likely, but those who do not vote are not counted - so they do not matter in the least ...

 

Agreed.

 

And there is a class war and the rich have been waging it and winning for decades.

 

Easy 48% voted for Hillary, 46% for Trump, 6% voted third party against both Hillary and Trump. Thus making the vote against Hillary at 52%, against Trump 54%.

https://www.cnn.com/election/2016/results/exit-polls

25% of all American held a negative view of both candidates and didn't want neither one to become president. This included 54% of all independents.

https://news.gallup.com/opinion/pol...mericans-dislike-presidential-candidates.aspx

So who do those 25% of Americans who disliked both candidates vote for, what do they do? They either stay home, they can vote third party to show their disdain for both candidates or they can vote for the candidate they least want to lose, not win mind you, the candidate they least want to lose. although they want both major party candidates to lose.

 

Blank ballots?

The vote is counted amongst the total, but not assigned to any one candidate ...

 

Ok, we are not discussing any of this. We are discussing if trump is more representative of Americans. I know is a difficult idea to wrap your head around.

 

States are not people

 

Didn't say they were what's your point?

 

More representative than who and what is your measure? Certainly tallying up to the results of those 51 separate and unique elections that were held Nov. 2018 is not an accurate or reflective measure.