the fetus is like the modern-day slave

Churchmouse: """"""Funny that the people who scream the loudest are the most intolerant.""""


All caps is screaming........

 

How would you feel if she had atttributed her success to her atheist beliefs? What if she had spoken at length about her disbelief in God? Should she be allowed that "freedom of speech"?

 

None of these are answers to the questions given. Examples of other people's rights being trodden on are not examples of your rights being trodden on. You stated that you are being censored, I asked how you have been censored personally.

Again, who is forcing you to have an abortion, who is forcing you to marry a woman, who is forcing you to do anything against your own moral beliefs?

Who is censoring YOU, churchmouse? Not that other person Joe, Bob or Mary.

Google is a private company and may choose to show whatever ads they like. Got a problem with it? Take it up with them, write them a formal letter of complaint and boycott their business just like pro-gay marriage folks boycotted Chick-Fil-A. Use a different search engine and don't use their web browser or their email service, and you better stop using YouTube because they own that too (which is ironic in that you say they hide Christian ads because I see tons of Mormon commercials/ads prior to YouTube videos all the time.)

These are not examples of how the government has personally censored you in the slightest. Please show us how you have been singled out and censored.

 

The examples given are not even that. They are, like the "war on Christmas," allegations blown out of proportion, or entirely fabricated, to bolster Christian "persecution" claims.

 

She declared that she is being censored and so I just want to see examples of how she has personally been censored by our government or forced to do anything else she did not want to do.

 

Did you read the actual cases....did you watch the videos?

Probably not. I gave great examples of the war ON CHRISTIANITY...AND THE WAR IS ACTIVELY GOING ON.

 

(LOL! I'm right again...when the goddies want to bring god to the abortion table THEY feel perfectly free to do so while out the other side of their mouths (posts) they condemn others for doing it.)



Youtube? Pfffft!

And most of the others, as I glanced through, are because goddies were trying out their stuff in PUBLIC venues.


I doubt any goddy has ever been stopped from praying EXCEPT in public places that belong to EVERYONE..

Or going into a building on Sunday to prove how "holy" they are.

Or reading their Buybulls....or anything else....they must have LOTS of FREEDOM because some of them keep declaring the US is a theocracy, a "christian" nation.



""I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians, they are so UNLIKE your Christ""" Mahatma Ghandi

 

Best part of the war on xmas is that xmas is a pagan festival hi-jacked by christianity, historians don't even know when christ was born but the best approximation is sometime in September, this is calculated by using the birth of John the Baptist which can be fairly accurately calculated, Luke attests that Elizabeth (John's mother) was six months pregnant at the time jesus was conceived (Luke 1:24-36) and his father was a priest serving in the Jerusalem temple during the course of Abijah (Luke 1:5
). Historical calculations indicate this course of service corresponded to June 13-19 in that year. It was during this time of temple service that Zacharias learned that he and his wife, Elizabeth, would have a child (Luke 1:8-13). After he completed his service and traveled home, Elizabeth conceived (verses 23-24). Assuming John's conception took place near the end of June, adding nine months brings us to the end of March as the most likely time for John's birth. Adding another six months (the difference in ages between John and Jesus) brings us to the end of September as the likely time of Jesus' birth.

Many so called christian beliefs are hi-jacked from what they call pagan rituals.

 

For your information I did look into a few of those court cases. In each case it was the public school officials trying to sponsor prayer in schools, it said nothing about students being denied the right to pray in the schools themselves in between classes or anything. People who represent the school are not supposed to actively encourage one faith over any other, but the students are still free to do as they like.

So you still cannot answer the questions I have posed to you?

Who is forcing you to have an abortion? Who is forcing you to marry a woman? Who is forcing you to do anything against your own moral beliefs? Who is censoring you?

If you cannot answer these questions or simply do not want to just say so, so that we may move on in the discussion.

I shall add another one as well, who is stopping you from praying in public or in your church? Who is stopping you from assembling a peaceful religious ceremony at a park or anywhere else 'public' for that matter? Have you even done this to begin with?

 

The war on Christmas is so discriminatory and unfair. It's getting even more beyond ridiculous, such as the new whole "war on Easter". I mean, before it was a bit more generic, you had to say just "happy holidays". But now you can't even say the word "easter"? Imagine if somebody made a rule that stated, "you're not allowed to say happy Hanukkah", or you're not allowed to say, "happy Ramadan" people would call whoever made that new rule, bigots or discrimination and they'd also call them offensive, but there's a very big double standard with Christianity, where the political correctness standards are the exact opposite. That's just plain discrimination.

Do you agree or disagree with me, Fugazi?

 

Church: """""the country reflects the morals of the people for the most part. One hundred years ago...abortion and same sex marriage and sodomy...and living together before marriage...and out of wedlock mothering was unheard of and considered immoral."""""


Where is your proof that 100 years ago these things were "unheard of"....???? ( )

You say you always answer questions.....

 

Without seeing the evidence to support that claim I can't form an opinion as to whether I agree with you or not. I have never seen anything declaring that "easter" is a taboo word to use.

I don't agree with a greeting like "merry xmas" being banned at all.

It is interesting to note that even easter has its origins in pre-christian faiths, the origins of the word itself come from the Anglo-Saxon goddess of Spring Eostre and even the rabbit & Egg are synonymous with pagan beliefs, In traditional folk religion the egg is a powerful symbol of fertility, purity, and rebirth. It is used in magical rituals to promote fertility and restore virility; to look into the future; to bring good weather; to encourage the growth of crops and protect both cattle and children against misfortune, especially the dreaded evil eye. All over the world it represents life and creation, fertility and resurrection, this was accepted by the early church as it fitted into their ideals of the resurrection of christ.
From the start, the Roman government regarded the early Christian Church as a branch of the Jewish religion, because the earliest Christians staunchly observed the same laws and religious celebrations the Jews did. Later, as persecution against Jews increased in the wake of two Jewish revolts against Rome, many groups of professing Christians chose to dissociate themselves from beliefs and practices that were closely identified with Judaism.
During the reign of Emperor Hadrian (A.D. 117-135), Jews were harshly persecuted and practices of Judaism forbidden. These oppressive measures apparently influenced many early Christians in Rome to abandon the biblical Sabbath and festivals and turn to Sunday, historically observed by the Romans as a day of veneration of the sun. Hence, the first day of the week (Sunday) took the place of the seventh-day Sabbath (Friday sunset to Saturday sunset), and some of the old heathen feasts became church festivals with change of name and of worship.
It is also interesting to note that there is nowhere in the bible that "easter" is even mentioned, Acts 12:4 has been shown to be a mistranslated which has been changed in all newer editions to the correct translation of passover, so the bible actually states that jesus was crucified on passover.
Passover in AD 31 (when christ was crucified) occurred on Wednesday 25th April, not a Friday and so even the Easter Christians celebrate today is incorrect.

 

"Somebody" could make that rule, like an employer for their employees...it's within their rights to make rules for employees because it's all based on how it affects their profits. They have no war on Easter or Christmas, they make decisions on what brings in the most profit. If Happy Holidays appeals to the most people that's what employees will be instructed to say. Don't you believe employers have that right?




Now be the first person to LIST exactly what you have lost in the War on Christmas?

 

Gee, these posters who claim they always answer questions! Could they not be credible???

 

Looks like most of them abandoned ship after they were pressed for answers, or to even at the very least admit they could not or simply did not want to answer them.

 

Well what happened is that they acted on that nonsensical notion that despite the actual name of the holiday being Christmas, and the national holiday actually being named Christmas, that most people would rather pretend that it is some non descript nameless holiday, and their profits did decrease! That is why the war has wained to a large degree.

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There was never a "war on Christmas" so it could not have waned.

Please explain why it is idiotic to use a greeting which includes not only those who celebrate Christmas, but also those who observe Hanukkah and Kwanzaa? I don't understand why Christians would demand that businesses use a greeting which excludes many people. It seems more like a war waged by Christians against non-Christians.

 

LOL! And they cry all the way to the bank.....Gee, I am so very very sorry about that horrendous "loss" in your life....losing respect for business! how that must hurt.....

 

Well leftists are all about trashing the rights of the people, unless those people are side show freaks and/or leftists themselves.

 

What rights, pertaining to Christmas and business, did "leftists" trample on???

I believe an employer has the right to tell employees how to treat customers.....why do YOU want to trample on that right????

 

Who? LOL Its no one, is it? Its just the magical prancing leftists that are everywhere yet no where. Isnt it?

Which rights and which people? Again, youre making crap up arent you?

Who?

Again, who? Even better, can you define a "leftist"?

 

Neither can somebody that's in a coma.

 

Why is it unacceptable for Christians to say, "Merry Christmas"? If somebody made up a rule which stated that Jews could not say "Happy Hannukah", then some people would be outraged and they would call that bigotry. If I made the rules, just to show the hypocrisy of this society, I would make it against the rules for ALL religions to use their holiday greetings, and EVERY single religious person must ONLY say, "happy holidays". Sure, that would probably offend all religions, but why discriminate only against Christians? This hypocrisy is just so very sickening.

 

No - the people you force to be born are the equivalent of slaves, until you jail and kill them. Be ashamed!

 

Anders Hoveland actually has made some very racist statements in some other thread.