The truth about 'assault wewapons' and mass shootings in the US

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  1. Rucker61

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    1. I hesitate to ask what you mean by BBC here ;). I'd say that enforcement of straw purchase crimes, 4473 crimes and not allowing plea bargains will certainly have an impact on the availability of criminals to access society.
    2. True. That's my entire point. Take look at my posting history here. I'm fairly certainly there are few posters presenting more cogent arguments against any new proposed gun control.
     
  2. Max Rockatansky

    Max Rockatansky Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Big Blue Cities. I'd used it previously and in the second paragraph.

    Most of your proposals are simple enforcement of current law and I haven't seen anyone disagree with enforcing present law.
     
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    Whew!

    Other than VG?
     
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    True. Point is, per capita, they are well over-represented.
     
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    Men are even more over-represented in committing homicides. Is this useful for gun control? Pointing out demographic differences does not help our cause.
     
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    Max Rockatansky Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I haven't seen anyone saying we need to not enforce laws you mentioned, but you are free to cite posts where someone has done so.
     
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    You'll note the context of my original remark on the subject.
     
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    You tend to post this statistic fairly often. I respond every time I see it. My inference is that you think that crime is a Black problem due to the numbers, and that perhaps Black-focused laws are the answer: "So you would restrict gun sales to whites only??
    How else would you address the massive over-representation of blacks in the US violent crime rates - especially murder?"

    Given that you're using raw statistics to focus on Black people, it seems only fair to point out that men are vastly over-represented in crime in general and homicide in specific.
     
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    Vegas Giants complains that enforcement would cost too much money, and he'd prefer to have new laws like UBCs and registration, even though they'd cost even more money, would not be enforceable and would be aimed at law abiding citizens rather than at the criminals that you and I would like to see more focus on.
     
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    Just stating the facts.
    There's a reason for the numbers I present, and it doesn't have anything to do with gun control or the lack thereof.
     
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    The same could be said for men and violence.
     
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    True -- but no one is unwilling to discuss the reason for that.
     
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    Or solutions? You have solutions to the Black thing?
     
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    That would make even less sense.
     
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    The solution isn't race per se, but economic. Cities need to solve their inner city ghetto and gang problems with economic development and better police enforcement.
     
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    When people stop seeing oppressors trying to keep them down and using that as an excuse to steal and commit crimes, and stop rationalizing a reason for Bobby to rob convenience stores, slavery, restitution, etc..... Perhaps an internal solution is possible.

    However as it stands now and as I currently observe, by many people's point of view, the White community is to blame and other folks are only getting what is fairly theirs, by any means necessary.
     
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    Depending on the reasons, there may be no solutions.
    Men, for instance, are naturally more aggressive and physically powerful then women, which results in men committing more violent crimes. This cannot be changed.
     
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    When people prefer the fast money illegal drugs and other criminal activity provides, that Walmart job is not so great.

    And when you have better Police Enforcement, Minority leaders complain it only targets Minorities even though they are the ones blatantly selling Crack and Heroin on street corners, insisting Police resources should be wasted in low crime neighborhoods equally stopping & frisking the demographic not usually involved in criminal activity for the sake of equality.
     
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    Which all goes to prove the Big Blue Cities should focus on solving their problems before they end up like Detroit.
     
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    And, to a greater degree, cultural.
    Poor people do not have an inherent lack of respect for human life.
     
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    Agreed and an excellent point. Yes, the biggest problem is cultural.
     
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    There are definitely some internal issues to address, and some personal responsibility to own up to. There are external forces in play, too.

    And those people should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. The creation of huge neighborhoods in the inner cities that centralize perps and victims wasn't much of a good idea, either.
     
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    However, that is an age old problem that starts with Charles Dicken's Victorian England, throughout Shakespeare's sonnets, and the Vile visage of the Dark ages, Dante's Inferno, and older than Babylon, the Sumerian civilisation and far older still......
     
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    Confirming Trump's campaign sentiments: "Your neighbourhoods are like war zones, your young men are in prison, you are living in poverty, your schools and hospitals are broken" etc, etc.

    It's the economy, stupid.

    But neoliberal economics, least of all Trump's simplistic remedy of tax cuts, won't solve the problem for those people living in poverty. Heard today on the radio that most factory owners are likely to spend tax savings on machines, not labour.

    Get your brains into gear, people.

    It's possible for the first time in history (with developments in AI and IT) to create a system that guarantees universal participation in the economy at above poverty-level wages - no more demoralising welfare required.

    [Will Rogers' sentiments in your tag-line contain a clue, ie, recognise the rights of others: eg, life, liberty and pursuit of happiness (US); life, liberty and security of person (UN). This last implies freedom from poverty, financial insecurity, and the social consequences of criminality, not to mention war....even .Eisenhower recognised the consequences of that age-old remedy: "humanity on a cross of iron"].

    Civilisation is a race between education and catastrophe HG Wells.
     
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    I agree it's economic, but even Bill Clinton didn't solve the problem much less Obama. So who's stupid or what's the deeper problem?

    Yes, you shouldn't be forced into poverty by being taxed so others can live equally as you do without working for it.
     

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