The warhawks are in total control now...

... and to no surprise Democrats lead the war charge. But it is fact over 90% of American war deaths have been under Democratic leadership. However, most Republicans voted for it too.

The Defense bill has a provision that a president can not withdraw troops without permission of the Pentagon. A president may attack and bomb any country at will and may send in troops. A president can start any war. But under the Defense bill it now takes permission of the military to end a war. Literally, it provides that a president may not withdraw any troops without permission of the Pentagon.

So it's official. The warhawks and military are in total control. It will soon be legal from presidents to start wars, but only the military can end a war. Militaries and the Pentagon never want to end any war because war means jobs, money and power.

It is becoming there is little for the world to admire about the USA. Freedom of speech is gone. There is no free press, only corporate propaganda. There is no freedom of religion. No actual rights under the Bill of Rights. Warmongering is now an official government policy with war run by the military, not civilian leadership.

The bill/law is grotesquely unconstitutional since the constitution is exact as to who commands the military.

But any intelligent thinking person now realizes the US Constitution and Bill Of Rights no longer has any value other than what the kleptocrats and plutocrats allow and the USA is no longer . Welcome to a corporate fascist plutocratic totalitarian USA with the military no longer under civil command.

Perpetual war is now American law and a majority of Democrats and Republicans just voted so.

The USA used to be the greatest, freest country in the world. A democratic republic of mostly free people with certain individual rights. The hope of the world. Not anymore.

 

I'm sure glad I live a different life here on earth than you do.

 

Who took us into Iraq and Afghanistan?????

 

so...we're supposed to take your word for it?

 

https://www.avpress.com/news/newsli...cle_b16b9c20-4986-11eb-a439-9b1b999e78ab.html

 

This is Rand Paul's opinion, mostly. I didn't read it all, but I saw nothing about the military tasked with ending wars. FWI read, Congress will have this power. Sounds backward to me. Congress should be declaring wars, not ending them, and the POTUS should be ending them, not declaring them.

I trust Rand Paul zero. He lied to the American public last week.

 

where have you been, two 10 + year wars started by a Republican, not a democrat

 

Both parties have started wars. Republicans and Democrats.

Trump was the first president in decades to not get us in a new war. Will Biden continue this trend?

 

It's on dozens of sites and the Democratic Party leadership has been calling for this ever since Trump announced troop reductions.

 

W Bush.
Who has attacked more countries than any president since WW2? Obama.

 

I don't care how many sites are reporting it. The AP report is fine. I just don't trust Rand Paul after his lies last week.

The vote was heavily bi-partisan, so it's not only Democrats.

 

True. But we will have a Democratic President who has supported and advocated for every military invasion and action we have been in for 47 years. He is pure neocon.

 

Obama didn't end it.
Name a new country president Trump got us into war with or attacked that we haven't already?

 

Calm down. Cheney, Rumsfeld and Bolton won't be serving in the Biden administration.

Biden will project strength, which I agree with. America first. He will not withdraw from the world like Trump. He also won't be starting any wars. Getting back into the Iran agreement will deter war. Trump nearly got us into a war with Iran. Your concern isn't justified, IMO.

 

Obama bombed and attacked more countries than any president since WW2.

Trump did not get us into any new wars and he ended proxy warring between the USA and Iran by strength - specifically killing Iranian military personnel in Iraq and Afghanistan - which Democrats bitterly complained of.

I certainly agree Biden will not pull us out of any war, no troop reductions, or any other military engagement or military presence and bases all over the world.

I disagree in that he will get us significantly into war in Syria - but mostly by exorbitantly expensive weapons systems such as aircraft, missiles, drones and special forces actions, training forces and providing lots and lots of weapons - billions and tens of billions in weapons. Lots of stuff that has to be continuously replaced - expensive stuff. Need lots of high ranking military personnel, Pentagon personnel and lots of contractors too for this.

It ain't gonna be cheap. But the kill ratio is going to fantastically favor us. Like shooting fish in a barrel. Lots and lots and lots of fish. Infinite number of fish. Boasting of low rate of collateral damage (used to be called innocent civilians.) What matters is all anti vaccine homophobic impoverished low IQ non-white Muslims must either fully accept and like watching Ru Paul's Drag Racing and be vaccinated - voluntarily or forcibly - or be killed.

They MUST join the values, beliefs and practices of their masters. Resistance is futile.

 

I believe that the decision to go to war or to withdraw from war should lie in the hands of the Congress, not the President. The President is only one person, and his only constitutional role is to command the military. It is supremely unwise to give this decision to one person. The Congress is the aggregate representatives of the People, and, constitutionally, they are the ones who should make the decision to go into war or to withdraw from it. We, the People, should be making these decisions through our representatives, not one person.

 

either did Trump

 

Hey, we WERE promised a return to "normalcy", right? Don't despair, break out the caviar, the real driver of the economy, the military-industrial complex, will soon be back in the saddle. Sure wish I owned me some land next to Arlington National Cemetery, be worth a fortune shortly!

 

Those aren't even a drop in the bucket to what the democrats have gotten us into lol.

 

It's not that we live on different planets, it's just that those glasses that you and Snoopy and so many others are wearing restrict your vision to allowing only Pentagon propaganda through to your brain.

 

The Founders heavily debated this so you have about half of them on your side.

The decision was made to let the president do it however in case of a rapid invasion of our nation which could easily happen back then.

If a major nation wanted to invade we likely wouldn't know about it until after they landed or were already marching. It was considered one of the major flaws under the Articles. But they put in safety measures to let congress undo it quickly, namely controlling the expense for it.

There were other reasons also but they made the right choice and just so you know, protocol is not only to inform the JCOS but key members of congress in any rapid attack, especially nuclear and they could (presumably) stop it instantaneously. We don't know the exact system they have in place but we know there is some sort of rapid response set up.

Anyone thinking the president can just launch an attack whenever he wants is way off the mark.

Supposedly it would take us just under 30 minutes to launch which means the president would have the green light and missiles would be in the air right before theirs are hitting us.

 

I agree with Seth.

The other factor to consider is that in 1787 when the document was written, it took days to travel anywhere at all. Congress only met several times a year. So if such an emergency as you describe were to happen, POTUS had to have power to make decisions without any congressional input at all.

When we followed the Constitution the country fairly well thrived. When we abandoned that guidance, we end up in a state of perpetual war. Ike was right.

 

When you begin a thread invalidating your point.............should you have started it in the first place?

 

The Constitution is clear only Congress can declare war and it follows Congress could vote to end the war. Congress gave the president unilateral war powers by federal laws. However, conducting war by committees and hundreds of politicians is an absurdity as it allowing the Pentagon to make the decisions.

"Captain, our forward base is under massive surprise attack. We need to withdrawn!"

Answer: "I'll forward the information so the leaders of the House and Senate can call a session of the House and the Senate to decide what to tell the President to do. In the meantime stay there and do nothing."

The last group of people I want deciding whether or not to be in or out of war are the Pentagon crowd.

 

Joe Biden ordered you to never accept facts so therefore to most Democrats facts are inherently invalid. What makes my message invalid to you is I stated facts - and you must reject all facts as a loyal progressive Democrat.

The Civil War, WW1, WW2, Korean war and Vietnam war - all Democratic wars. Those account for over 90% of American war deaths. Remove the Civil War and still over 90% of war deaths were under Democratic Party leadership.