This is what I don't get about the anti-gay crowd

Is HIV a reason to prevent gays from having the same rights as hetros?

 

Dude. Spain's got more problems than you care to acknowledge. What you comin here for criticizing us when you oughta be taking care of business in your homeland.

http://www.ndsmcobserver.com/queering-spanish-culture-1.1431167

 

Because we beleive, above all else, that all people are created equal. We believe that this is more important than anything else.

 

What relation has the economy with homosexuality? Spain is not a good example in many things, and lack of freedom in many aspects, like freedom of expresion, but there are things where is an example. And well, Also I could have mentioned Canada, Argentina, Sweden... All these countries have the homosexual marriage.

Homosexual majority? LOL

 

oh no you don't. You believe that Homos are created more equal than others. You have no respect for other peoples' opinion or religious beliefs. How stupid do you think we are?

 

exactly

 

I don't see many problems in that article. And don't worry about me, I am really combative about the problems of my birth country. I am particitive(when I am in the country) in many social fights and in the social movements for democracy in Spain.

And the homosexuality in Spain has not affected in any way to the procreation, heterosexual marriages... because who is heterosexual will be heterosexual being homosexuality accepted or not, the same with homosexuals. And at least in Spain in this case is really equalitarian and that is good.

 

I find this beleive to be stupid. Hetros have the same risk of HIV by having unprotected sex.

 

well that sounds like spain is not as homosexually accepting as you made it out to be.

 

Obviously that there are some issues regarding to the catholic church that are a minority. Homosexuality is generally accepted and mainly between the youth.

 

you have the same rights the rest of us have. You want extra ones. The constitution does not provide for that.

 

american catholics tend to be the most accept, ironically. around 90% of them are fine with gay marriage, birth control and several other "issues" that the church opposes. The policies of the church and the beliefs of it's practitioners is very seperate.

 

a shame.

 

What is a shame? That is generally accepted? I don't think that is a shame. In Spain only fascists and old dudes don't tolerate the homosexuality

Well, in Spain I don't know. Because many self-called catholics are only catholics for tradition, say it, but catholics, catholics, I would say just Christians, and yes that people usually accept also the homosexuality. As I said only the fascists, that includes also the bosses of the church then yes, they oppose to the homosexuality. But as I said is generally accepted.

 

That's just not true.

http://www.catholicvote.org/discuss/index.php?p=15355

and why should you care about the catholic church's accetance. Don't you condemn the church's opinion on this. Y'all are gonna have to make up your minds. Do you want the church's acceptance or not. And can you force them to accept you. And if you force them to accept you you know that they are not really accepting you privately..so can you really be happy with that? i think not.

 

I don't care if church accepts it or not. Just I was giving the information, not opinating about it.

And at least in Spain many catholics accept it, but I would not call them catholics. The truth is that the number of religious people would not be superior of 30% of the poblation, I mean really religious, even probably lower. The number of atheists is close to 50%. It is the reality of the country.

And about my opinion of the Church, they can do or say whatever they want inside their organization, but they don't dare to try to impose their retrograde opinions on the rest.

 

Well, point taken. But what I don't get about the "it doesn't impact them" crowd, is how they think they know it doesn't impact people.

Aren't you the same guy that 100 yrs ago would have said, "Why shouldn't I smoke cigarettes, it doesn't impact me."

You have no idea if a society who embraces homosexuality is going to suffer long term negative effects that wouldn't not have happened had they not embraced homosexuality.

And for that matter, you have no idea if being homosexual affects the psychological health of the homosexual him/herself in the long OR short term.

In other words, why would you think what you think? You have no evidence.

And there may be a (*)(*)(*)(*) good reason why homosexuality has been one of the most shunned and abhorred practice in the history of humanity.

God didn't just come down to humanity one day and say "No homos", right? You don't believe that, do you? Then why would anyone have chosen THAT thing (homosexuality) to abhor? What reason would they have for choosing THAT?

How arbitrary for someone to just decide one day, "You know I think that when Og kisses Ug and puts his pole in Ug's tom-toms, it's a horrible, horrible thing. Let's pass that belief down through the ages so that most of humanity will shun it." "Why should we do that, Thum?" "Oh, no reason really. I just chose that one thing just for fun."

And why would billions of people have agreed since then, that homosexuality is to be avoided?

The reason is obvious. Not impossible for some people to bury, but obvious still.

 

And we believe that all men/women are created equal AT LEAST as much as you do. But some of do not believe that all sexual orientation choices are created equal. Some of us believe that some sexual orientation choices are better, much better for the human race, than others.

And some of us do not believe that a whole BUNCH of lifestyle choices are equal.
We don't believe that choosing to use heroin or meth is as good a lifestyle choice as choosing to help poor children to read.

And many of us do believe that homosexuality is a choice. Just as bank robbery or helping a person to read is a choice.

 

Hm. 90% huh? I haven't SEEN that poll. Could you give me a link?

Preferably a non-partisan one.

 

Actually, some of America's attitude toward gays is a lot like the Islamic World. We haven't gone so far as to persecute gays, but clearly, a significant portion of posters here feel the same enmity toward them that Iranians and Saudi Arabians do.

 

No one is trying to block people's expression of ignorance about gays. They just want gays to have equal rights to heterosexuals.

 

Speak for yourself, buddy. Homosexuality is, in no way comparable to stealing or genocide.

 

The whole purpose for Gays trying to marry is tax breaks on the marriage and tax write off for the kids they try to adopt. they are not trying to raise a healthy home at all. it's about money and changing laws.

 

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Provide a source to back you up or ****.