This is what I don't get about the anti-gay crowd

Discussion in 'Gay & Lesbian Rights' started by Leffe, May 22, 2012.

  1. Junkieturtle

    Junkieturtle Well-Known Member Donor

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    The two sides are not the same and not equal. Your side would prefer to deny rights to people, something that goes against the spirit and purpose of this country except when absolutely necessary. It is your side that carries the burden of showing reasons why the law must be used to discriminate in this case, or you run the risk of having those laws struck down as has already happened. Feeling uncomfortable about two men or two women kissing and holding hands, and possibly getting married, is not reason enough to use the law in that manner. Again, that's why those laws are being struck down by competent judges who see it easily violates equal protection laws. In this country, the burden of proof is on the side that wants to restrict rights, not the other way around.

    Nobody wants to shut your side up, you just don't have much to say that isn't a variation of "eeew gays are icky, make it stop", which if you ask any lawyer, is NOT a compelling argument that would win court cases.
     
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    You seem to be forgetting that felons can still get married. So homosexuals have less rights than felons in some cases.
     
  3. Leffe

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    So if it's only the business of gays and they want to get married, by your own rationale, they should be able to.

    Thanks for clarifying.
     
  4. Gaymom

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    If it was up to the so called Christian fanatics here...there would also be stonings. What did you not understand in my post??? It would seem that you have missed the whole point.
     
  5. Gaymom

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    Your opinion and $1.06 will get me a McDonalds Diet Coke on my way to work.

    You are a liar...pure and simple.
     
  6. Gaymom

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    Is that a third grade reply?? I hadn't heard that sort of phrase in the adult world.
     
  7. Zosiasmom

    Zosiasmom New Member Past Donor

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    Yes, but they can vote and own a handgun...so, they have the opportunity to vote their oppressors out or shoot people illegally entering their homes.
     
  8. Gaymom

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    State after state has no Constitutional standing to withhold rights from one group of citizens for nothing more than the fact than..."they want to". The votes will not hold up, because they have no legal basis. YOU HAVE TO HAVE A REASON!!!
     
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    Zosiasmom New Member Past Donor

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    The Roberts court will not support gay marriage. That's the reality. They believe that corporations are people. No Republican will vote for it in the Congress. Ergo, you have to leave it up to the states, for better or for worse.

    I'm not saying this is right because I don't think it is, but...it's the reality.
     
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    Felons have the right to marry...we don't. Simple.

    Do you Understand now???

    There is NO REASON to withhold equal rights from homosexauls except HATE. That is not a legal reason.

    You can not give a right (marriage) to one segment of the population (including felons) and withhold it from another (homosexuals)

    FOR NO REASON!!!!

    Saying you want to and voting that you want to are not legal reasons.
     
  11. Serfin' USA

    Serfin' USA Well-Known Member

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    It might take another 20 years, but eventually, the federal courts will resolve this just like they had to with integration.
     
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    So it's ok to deny law abiding citizens rights that felons have. That is a very American outlook.
     
  13. Zosiasmom

    Zosiasmom New Member Past Donor

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    You don't have to take that next step and make up an opinion for other people.

    Felons can marry in prison, but they can't have sex. Is this marriage? Gays and lesbians have the right to vote out people who would deny them their rights and should. They have the right and ability to do what they did in New York and have marriage made legal in that state.
     
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    Zosiasmom New Member Past Donor

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    It will take 3 new justices. Better to go state by state. It would happen quicker and have more legitimacy especially if it came as a Constitutional amendment.
     
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    So tax breaks being #1, and what else do the Gays want from marriage?
     
  16. Junkieturtle

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    Likely the same things straight people want from it. Why would you think it would be any different?
     
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    That is because some people wish to treat homosexuals like they are criminals.
     
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    To be treated fairly and equally under the law, obviously.
     
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    they already are.

    Gays have the same exact rights as everybody else. They still shack up even if they are not married so what's the big deal about the marriage certificate if not for a tax break?

    the marriage certificate won't make you love your gay partner any more or any less.
     
  20. Junkieturtle

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    That argument could just as easily apply to opposite sex marriages.

    If that marriage certificate is not going to make them love their spouse any more or less, why have the secular institution of marriage at all(because the religious institution is separate, and nobody is advocating that the religious view of marriage be changed)?
     
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    What makes you assume tax breaks are #1??? I don't think there is a hierarchy. We simply want all the benefits you have. No more...no less.
     
  22. Gaymom

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    Ask that question of any heterosexual couple.

    There you will have your answer.
     
  23. Johnny-C

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    It is astounding that so many homophobes IMAGINE that gay people are as shallow as the scores of heterosexuals they know. :(

    When gay people seek to get married, it's likely about everything marriage entails (not mere tax breaks).
     
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    Fortunately the law is already set up for hetero-marriages so your strawmen is invalid here.
     
  25. 4Horsemen

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    You can do that still without the legality of the certificate. so it must only be about tax breaks.

    Gays have been having mutual unions since the days of the Pilgrims in this country.
     

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