Time for the TRUTH. Study of Trump-Promoted Coronavirus Drug Finds More Deaths, No Benefit

And with larger/more diverse sample sizes so as to get an accurate estimate. It feels like the last couple of studies were like "Okay French doctor, you're going to get patients for the best viable outcomes? We'll get patients for the WORST viable outcomes!"

Making a narrative is narrative making, and is noise when the whole point of the studies according to Dr. Fauci was imperial evidence. So hopefully the next studies follow the Santa Clara/LA model, and just look for the best possible representation of found facts.

 

How do you know you haven't fallen into a narrative yourself?

 

They have said it works better in combination, They JUST don't know which.

 

Fund IT, as if that is enough. Years later, YOU SAY, China created a BIOLOGICAL WEEAPON. China is eating our lunch, I have been writing about it for years. Infiltrating our intelligence. Taking over FIRST crude labor, always progressing towards high value operations. Hacking our infrastructure. Getting all our info from the world bank and imf.

Nosir, they are already eating our lunch. Why screw that up?

 

Oh I don’t think they released it on purpose. Hence the months long cover up.

 

It's possible. We "all" fall into narratives, that's why narratives exist and counteract in the first place. Truth is the final outcome where a superior narrative has been agreed to or realized by the masses.

 

Who gives a ****.

He looks bad all on his own

 

True, I can agree with that. I worry that we're putting too many eggs in our baskets with this focus on one drug. Let's hope it works but still I'm going to worry.

 

There are several ongoing so I'm sure you'll hear more like this.

Bottom line...the number of recovered cases is so low and the use of these drugs so prevalent that it's highly unlikely that it does anything of value

 

I think you're right, and I'm sadden to hear that. I would hope the drug works. But it doesn't look like it will.

 

Spinning the crank on my road bike is better than usual -- about 1/4 of the usual traffic, more likelihood of surviving.

 

That sounds fine BUT, people are not in their right head right now. Mcycle, Bicycle etc will be more dangerous, till folks are feeling themselves again.

 

I'm not seeing that here.

 

Then your OP is based on a falsehood.

 

Trump said, you are dying anyway,
WHAT HAVE YOU GOT TO LOSE? That is folks on ventilator. He said use it for that. IT is not intended to USE FOR THAT. But, Trump told them to. So, quack doc gives deadly prescription.

It needs to be tested on folks doing OK, to see if it speeds recovery. I don't know if it has been tested for that.

 

It's the quack docs that are denying the good results.

 

Do you ever use quotes... ever? Or just SCREAAAAAAM!

 

And I 100% think he should have after the Democrat Messiah did so.
For too long the Right remaind humble and quiet while the Left did a plethora of things to trample the Rights of Conservatives. Freedom of Speech obstruction across America at Universities for example.

similarly, President Trump today instructed the US Navy to destroy any and all Iranian vessels that harrass US Naval ships in INTERNATIONAL WATERS. Great. The man has balls and protects Americans. See how that works? You do bad things and eventually those you do it to might just turn the tables on you.

What's good for the goose..........
Some believe that over reaching the laws and the Constitution should only be a privilege of Democrats?
Get Real yourself

 

Nope!

NIH didn't give the thumbs down to hydroxychloroquine at all as a treatment on its website. The NIH had concerns about the combination of the two drugs based on complications seen in some patients and decided to recommend against that combination outside clinical trials, that's all.

The actual NIH wording:

At present, no drug has been proven to be safe and effective for treating COVID-19. There are no Food and Drug Administration (FDA)-approved drugs specifically to treat patients with COVID-19. Although reports have appeared in the medical literature and the lay press claiming successful treatment of patients with COVID-19 with a variety of agents, definitive clinical trial data are needed to identify optimal treatments for this disease. Recommended clinical management of patients with COVID-19 includes infection prevention and control measures and supportive care, including supplemental oxygen and mechanical ventilatory support when indicated. As in the management of any disease, treatment decisions ultimately reside with the patient and their health care provider.

Antivirals:

• There are insufficient clinical data to recommend either for or against using chloroquine or hydroxychloroquine for the treatment of COVID-19 (AIII).
  • If chloroquine or hydroxychloroquine is used, clinicians should monitor the patient for adverse effects, especially prolonged QTc interval (AIII).
• There are insufficient clinical data to recommend either for or against using the investigational antiviral drug remdesivir for the treatment of COVID-19 (AIII).
  • Remdesivir as a treatment for COVID-19 is currently being investigated in clinical trials and is also available through expanded access and compassionate use mechanisms for certain patient populations.
• Except in the context of a clinical trial, the COVID-19 Treatment Guidelines Panel (the Panel) recommends against the use of the following drugs for the treatment of COVID-19:
  • The combination of hydroxychloroquine plus azithromycin (AIII) because of the potential for toxicities.

NIH Introduction page:

It is important to stress that the rated treatment recommendations in these Guidelines should not be considered mandates. The choice of what to do or not to do for an individual patient is ultimately decided by the patient together with their [sic] provider.

The people running the NIH aren't forbidding it. They aren't giving a go or no-go on the use of hydroxychloroquine. They are issuing a non-recommendation for its use in a particular combination based on potential problems already seen, and only outside clinical trials.

It's not that hard to look this stuff up before you post Fake News

 

Didn't thread whole thread. OP's thread title has been posted verbatim, specifically "Coronavirus drug finds more Deaths, No Benefit," dozens if not hundreds of times by shills of all manner all over the net over the last two days.

Fake News and Shillcraft. Don't buy it.

 

Dr. Didier Rault just came out with a critique of this junk study from the OP, will post when available. Two points made were the 'untreated' control group in fact had 30% treated with an antibiotic known to help against the virus, and most of the patients were too far gone to expect to be helped by the drug, it is known to be most effective when taken early.

Time for the TRUTH.

 

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