Trump indicates he'd testify in hush money trial, says a conviction could 'make me more popular'

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  1. Eddie Haskell Jr

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    Uninformed voters nominate a criminal found liable for sexual assault, defamation, and fraud with 4 indictments and almost 90 felonies coming up. Americans don't attack their Capitol or support others attacking their Capitol.
     
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    Amen! Well said.
     
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    All these claims and you didn’t bother to read the charges? Sad!
     
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    That is really digging deep on their part.
     
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    That has become their SOP . When they have no defense for Trump, they divert to Hillary, Joe Biden or the "dems". (sigh)
     
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    Seriously?? Have you been on a prolonged vacation to Mars??
     
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    Trump wasn't entitled to know in his "bill of particulars'".
    Ari @ MSNBC covered tonight the state misdemeanor and the federal felony Trump is up against from the Federal Campaign Act 52.
    Cohen pled guilty to federal campaign charges for trying to cover up the 2 gals stories about Trump right before the election.


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    'In Trump’s New York ‘hush money’ case, prosecutors push election angle'

    Experts say that prosecutors will attempt to make the case that Trump falsified business records to tip the 2016 race.

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    "Such laws are meant to protect “voter informational interest”, said Ciara Torres-Spelliscy, a law professor and fellow at the Brennan Center for Justice
    “The essence of the Manhattan district attorney’s case against ex-President Trump is his alleged illegal use of his corporation to hide his infidelity from American voters on the eve of the 2016 election,” she told Al Jazeera.

    Torres-Spelliscy pointed to court precedent establishing voters’ rights to certain information about spending and campaign activities during an election season.

    That transparency is meant to ensure voters have the information they need to choose the candidate they feel best represents their interests.
    “The [US] Supreme Court specifically ruled that disclosure helps citizens make choices in the political marketplace,” Torres-Spelliscy said.

    “Hiding the hush-money payments — if they were meant to influence the 2016 election — would undermine this key interest for American citizens.”


    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024...sh-money-case-prosecutors-push-election-angle
     
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    In the works: Molineux hearing

    'What is a "Molineux evidence" hearing in New York? It is a hearing to determine whether evidence of a defendant's prior uncharged crimes that can be admitted in a criminal trial. Usually, a defendant's prior bad acts are inadmissible. But, if it is used to prove the below, it may be determined to be admissible:


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    The DA's Office is arguing certain pretrial motions. The first: the admissibility of the summer 2015 meeting at Trump Tower involving Michael Cohen and David Pecker (from the National Enquirer). The prosecution wants to admit certain exhibits, including positive headlines in the Enquirer that were shown to Trump *before* they published so he could suggest changes and/or approve them. The prosecution wants to also admit the headlines of negative stories about Trump's primary opponents, namely Ben Carson, Ted Cruz, and Marco Rubio, designed to have maximum damaging impact.


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    They moved faster than expected today. Judge does think that the Jury selection will be done by Monday. What I found reassuring is to learn that Trump can be told to do a "time out" for bad behavior in a nearby room where he can WATCH the proceedings , but not interfere with them with his antics , facial gestures , and comments. Will se if the judge has to use this ;-) Trump is in hell for many reasons. One main one is that for once , he is NOT in control, and has to do what he is told. That must irk him to no end....so he acts out. (ergo the importance of the "time out " room. ;-) One thing is certain: Whatever Trump mutters and spews about the judge.........The truth is the opposite. Trump's behavior is pathetic & juvenile. (and he is mocked on international news outlets...........( justifiably )
     
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    Another Universal TRUTH:
    Neither Trump nor his voters care...
     
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    I find these comments by this Law Professor extremely helpful in explaining one of the key provisions in this case. From what I understand, illegally channeling money to Michael Cohen, under the guise of attorney fees is FRAUD, but it's a misdemeanor. Bragg is pursuing a felony conviction, because the FRAUD was perpetrated along with other crimes - suppression of voter information, as outlined by Torres-Spelliscy.

    This is not an easy case however. Trump's lawyers have stated that the election was a Federal election, not a New York election. I'm not sure this makes any difference. However, George Santos, who is being accused of fraud (also perpetrated in New York), is being sued by the Justice Department as a Federal case.

    Bragg also has state tax evasion as a secondary crime, that may also pair with the Fraud to constitute a felony.
     
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    All the anti-Trumpers better hope Trump isn’t acquitted. That would prove that all of this was nothing more than a left wing, democratic party-political vendetta using the power of government against him. At least in the eyes of Trump supporters. I’m not so sure, I don’t really believe a guilty verdict would make Trump more popular as he states. I don’t know if it would make him less popular. The 91 federal indictments haven’t hurt him, neither has the guilty verdicts in the E.J. Carrol and the New York fraud trials either. Trump has led Biden in the polls since September of last year even with all the legal problems going on all around him. Which may say more about Biden in the eyes of the voters than Trump. Fact is as of today; most Americans don’t want Biden reelected and at the same time don’t want Trump to regain the white house. A catch 22 for most Americans.


    Two candidate race - https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/president/general/2024/trump-vs-biden


    Five way race - https://www.realclearpolling.com/po...24/trump-vs-biden-vs-kennedy-vs-west-vs-stein
     
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    Then we move on to the January 6th cases, which are the cases that Americans really want to know about.
     
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    No. Brag hasnt identified the crime. Thats why you cant either.
     
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    Brag hasnt identified the crime. Thats why you cant either.
     
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    I’m not too sure about that, most Americans didn't care about the 1-6 House hearings. To most that is ancient history. Americans are famous for short memories. Most didn’t pay much if any attention to the 1-6 hearings. We’re not even sure if the 1-6 or the classified documents trials will begin prior to the election.


    Trump trials timeline: Jan. 6, Georgia and classified docs cases in limbo


    https://www.axios.com/2024/03/01/trump-trials-timeline-jan-6-georgia-case
     
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    No such law as "Federal Campaign Act 52"
     
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    Right, no #52,
    Just the "Federal Election Campaign Act"
     
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    Ahhhh

    "In any criminal prosecution, the defendant has the right to know the specific charges against them. This typically comes in the form of an information or indictment. An information is a charging document filed by the prosecutor spelling out the basis for the defendant’s arrest and charge. An indictment is similar, but it is issued by a grand jury after hearing evidence presented by the prosecutor.

    If an information or indictment is still sufficiently unclear, the defendant has the right to ask for a bill of particulars, essentially a request for further clarification on the details of the alleged crime. The purpose of a bill of particulars is to “minimize surprise at trial,”
    https://www.google.com/search?q=is+...E3Mzg5ajBqN6gCCLACAQ&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

    When was he convicted of the federal law which governs such matters?

    Give me the SPECIFIC STATUTE Bragg is alleging Trump is guilty even though he has never been convicted and the legal authority WITH jurisdiction did not find a campaign finance violation.

    They ruled in the John Edwards case such payments could reasonably have been made beyond any campaign worries and therefore not subject to campaign finance if not paid with campaign funds.

    They would have to be SOLELY for the purpose of the campaign. See above.

    And SHOW ME THE CONVICTION. Bragg cannot charge him and try him and convict him of a FEDERAL CRIME.
     
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    Told ya so.

    N.Y. Crim. Proc. Law § 200.95

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    'However, the prosecutor shall not be required to include in the bill of particulars matters of evidence relating to how the people intend to prove the elements of the offense charged or how the people intend to prove any item of factual information included in the bill of particulars.'


    https://casetext.com/statute/consol...y refuse to,such information is not necessary
     
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    Stormy's payment didnt come from the Trump campaign. Unlike Hillarys payments that came directly from her campaign.
     

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