Trump is a threat to US National Security. Biden is not.

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  1. independentthinker

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    Biden is the bigger threat to democracy. Even Democrats know this.

    https://rumble.com/v4my4of-rfk-i-ca...esident-biden-is-a-much-worse-threat-to-.html
     
  2. garyd

    garyd Well-Known Member

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    The truth in this case is simple, Your talk of complexity is merely a vain attempt to muddy waters that do not require it save to provide a false narrative, The president is elected to run the administrative state, their job is to implement the presidents policies not to sandbag him and investigate him and if they refuse to do that get the hell out the way.

    America has been voting for change since at least 2000 they haven't gotten significant change yet because the unelected, unaccountable administrative state doesn't want it and can't for the life of them conceive of the possibility that their solutions to what actually ails America and indeed the world are wrong. In fact it would seem that most of there solutions actually make things worse.
     
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    More troops were killed in Biden's withdrawal than were in the last six months of Trump administration.
     
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    All evidence to the contrary. President Biden has been a very solid and good President:

    Copilot
    President Joe Biden has achieved several significant accomplishments during his time in office. Let’s take a look at some of them:

    1. American Rescue Plan: President Biden fought for and signed the American Rescue Plan, which provided crucial support to workers, communities, and businesses affected by COVID-19. This plan included measures such as protecting workers’ pensions, lowering or eliminating insurance premiums for millions of lower- and middle-income families, investing in affordable housing, and supporting public safety and crime reduction1.
    2. Infrastructure Investment: The $1 trillion bipartisan infrastructure bill was a major achievement. It aimed to improve the country’s infrastructure, including roads, bridges, and public transportation systems2.
    3. COVID-19 Vaccination: President Biden successfully oversaw the vaccination campaign, with 72% of American adults fully vaccinated. This effort played a crucial role in managing the pandemic and protecting public health2.
    4. Judicial Appointments: The administration appointed and confirmed federal judges, contributing to a well-functioning judiciary system2.
    5. Economic Recovery: Despite challenges like inflation, the economy showed resilience during Biden’s tenure. The unemployment rate dropped to 4.2%, reflecting positive economic progress2.
    6. Health Research: Through the ARPA-H initiative, President Biden advanced cutting-edge research on cancer and other diseases3.
    These accomplishments demonstrate President Biden’s commitment to addressing critical issues and improving the lives of the American people. Keep in mind that this is not an exhaustive list, but it highlights some key achievements during his presidency.

    Any accusations against President Biden have been proven untrue; even his mental acuity is outshining tRaitor tRump's. It's very easy to say "Biden is a bigger threat to democracy", OR threatens democracy in ANY way. But, as you've just proven it's VERY HARD to come up with ANYTHING to substantiate such claims.

    ON the other hand the easiest thing in the world is to show what a existential threat tRaitor tRump poses to the American way of life:

    Copilot
    During his presidency, Donald Trump took actions that some critics argue threatened the American way of life. Here are some notable points:

    1. Threats to Democratic Institutions:
    2. Rhetoric and Division:
    3. Erosion of Norms and Civility:
    4. Threats to Free Press and First Amendment Rights:
    5. National Security Concerns:
    6. Economic Policies and Inequality:
     
  5. Noone

    Noone Well-Known Member

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    link?
     
  6. garyd

    garyd Well-Known Member

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    Look it up
     
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    You, made the accusation. I did look it up and found that nearly 2500 young American men and women died IN Afghanistan during our time there. 13 of which died during the withdrawal, all of whom were killed by 1 suicide bomber. IF your claim is true it's because there was a cease fire in place that was dependent on our withdrawal, and would have ended if we had stayed. So, IF we had stayed another 375 Americans would have lost their lives there by now.
     
  8. independentthinker

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    YOu have cooked up evidence from biased democrats out to get Trump. The actual evidence proves Biden is the bigger threat to democracy. He is the head of the party that has been weaponizing law enforcement and taking free speech rights away.
     
  9. garyd

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    Amd almost all those 2500 happened way before Trump became President. So you failed to disprove my statement try again.
     
  10. Noone

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    No, Copilot is strickly AI, it has no bias. I asked it:

    - What has President Biden Accomplished
    and
    - what threat has Donald Trump been to the American public.

    What I posted was unaltered cut and paste answers to those questions.


    Copilot
    Donald Trump, the former president of the United States, has faced a series of legal challenges, including indictments. Let’s delve into the details:

    1. Federal Charges:
    2. Public Opinion:
    3. 2024 Presidential Race:
    In summary, Trump’s indictments have sparked intense debates, but their full implications remain to be seen.

    AS you see it's OUR legal system that has brought charges against tRaitor tRump, not the Democrats. TRaitor tRump is a victim of his own criminality.
     
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    The point is we lost about 125 American troops in Afghanistan every year we were there. IF we had stay it can be extrapolated that another 375 would have been lost by now. I didn't try to disprove your point, I couldn't find any numbers for American deaths in the last 6 months of Afgan occupation; and neither could you. Your claim was just a WAG.

    I did show that withdrawing from Afghanistan saved American lives.
     
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    ""The point is we lost about 125 American troops in Afghanistan every year we were there.""

    And we lost ZERO the last 18 months Trump was in office.
     
  13. independentthinker

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    What you posted is biased gibberish thinking it would prove your point. It does not. Your post is nothing but an opinion piece.
     
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    That is the average but the average is misleading. US casualties in Afghanistan had been trending downward since the mid point of the Obama administration that trend continued through the Trump administration to the point that in trump's last six months US combat casualties were down to near zero because one of the prerequisites for talks was not killing US troops.
     
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    What I posted were returns asked of an unbiased AI program that goes out queries primary sources on the internet and reports back. It accually has nothing to do with MY opinion or ... ANY ... opinion.

    But YOUR post, the post I replied to, certainly was unsubstantiated, "BIASED OPINION". 8)
     
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    The prerequisite for talks was a cease fire. Then tRaitor tRump agreed to unreasonable conditions of withdrawal and an indefensible troop draw down. Considering those terms it's amazing we were able to get out with only one suicide bombing.

    The point IS, getting out of Afghanistan saved American lives. <-Period
     
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    link?
     
  18. garyd

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    No he didn't. In fact there was likely never to be an agreement because the Taliban weren't willing to agree to the power sharing agreement that Trump had set as the prerequisite to a withdrawal. The Biden administration unilaterally stopped the talks and instead of pulling out through Bagram which was imminently defensible and would have helped afghan troops hold the line with the tac air support they were highly dependent on they tried to pull out through the capital which was far less defensible and resulted in the chaotic not seen since the withdrawal from Vietnam. Now I will throw Biden a small bone. I don't blame him for that. My suspicion is that the general staff did not want to with draw at all and screwed it up on purpose just to make Biden look bad. It is however equally possible that Austin and Milley really are that damn incompetent.
     
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    Looks like the claim in your title if this discussion is strongly doubted by critics: RFK Jr. Says Biden Is a Bigger Threat To Democracy Than Trump

    Gee, that's the opposite of what @Patricio Da Silva claims.

    What support does RFK use to support his claim?

    “I can make the argument that President Biden is the much worse threat to democracy, and the reason for that is President Biden is the first candidate in history – the first president in history that has used the federal agencies to censor political speech, so to censor his opponent,” he said.

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    'Kennedy, who has made freedom of speech issues a central focus of his campaign, testified last year before the House Judiciary’s subcommittee on the weaponization of the federal government. Kennedy was invited by House Republicans to speak as part of their investigation into censorship against conservatives at social media companies.'

    Actually RFK doesn't buy the claim made here, at all.

    'Kennedy said that while he believes Biden and Trump are both ill-suited to be reelected in November, he does not believe rhetoric suggesting either candidate would “destroy democracy.'

    'He added that if he had to label one a greater threat to democracy than the other, he’d choose Biden because he feels the president has been “weaponizing the federal agencies” against his opponents.'

    Bribed Joe certainly has.
     
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    Yes, Donald Trump, the former president of the United States, engaged in negotiations with the Taliban. Here are the key details:

    1. Agreement for Peace:
    2. Release of Taliban Fighters:
    3. Taliban’s Actions:
    4. The drawdown of American forces in Afghanistan to 5,000 troops occurred during the Trump administration. This decision was part of the broader effort to reduce the U.S. military presence in the region. However, it’s essential to note that the situation remained complex, and the withdrawal process faced challenges and consequences.
    5. Biden’s Decision:
    In summary, Trump’s negotiations with the Taliban led to an agreement that set the stage for the U.S. military’s 20-year war in Afghanistan to come to an end, but the situation remained complex and challenging even after the withdrawal34.


    • The Agreement was signed during the tRaitor tRump Administration.
    • Released 5000 Taliban fighters
    • American forces were reduced to 5000 by tRaitor tRump.
     
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    One became President under Trump: Trump!

    THAT is way more scary.

    Under Biden we got about 750 of them, the ones who participated in the insurrection, off the streets and almost 500 of the convicted.
     
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    How does that change all the terrorists coming across the border? Or do you think it is OK for an unknown number of terrorists to come into the US without our knowledge?
     
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    I'm more concerned about the "unknown number of terrorists" who are already here and think of Trump as their deity. Since Trump became their inspiration, those have been responsible for way more domestic terrorist acts than any others... by far.
     
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    We still need to stop them from coming across the border. Do you agree? A simple yes or no will suffice.
     
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    More damage has been done by the BLM movement in terms of property damage and people killed.
     

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