Trump: Just Mark U.S. Planes With Chinese Flag and Bomb Russia

I think it's funny when people try to excuse Trump's stupidity by assuming it's a joke.

 

It was obviously a joke and the blind will use anything to perceive it otherwise. They are just that jaded. It happens, I get it. Some people just don't get jokes. They never will.

 

If I poke a stick at a snake and the snake bits me, who is at fault, the snake or me? The snake ultimately, but I showed poor judgement at poking a stick at it. I know how snakes are, and it would have been stupid.

Well the no fly zone crowd are going to push NATO into firing first. That's what I would like to avoid.

 

Problem is we did not poke the snake because we like poking snakes. We poked the snake because it starting biting others in our community. Maybe the snake should not be attacking others.

I have always said a no fly zone would mean WW3. Go back and find one of the first post about it where someone asked what would the consequence be of a no fly zone. I answered it would mean war.

See post #2 on this thread.

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...r-support-for-ukraine.597364/#post-1073280987

 

The snake doesn't care if it's getting poked because it's biting others. It just knows that it's being poked.

 

Are you suggesting we should ignore the snake biting others? If the snake was intelligent it would reinforce that action and just cause it to continue biting people because there would be no consequence for doing so.

 

We don't have the capability to stop all the snakes all over the world for biting.

After suffering a humiliating military defeat just a few months ago, I would think there would be more humility about what we can and can't accomplish with military force.

 

So your answer would be yes for this snake example? No supplies and financial support and no sanctions?

 

I thought your question was who's responsible?

 

No my question was "are you suggesting we ignore the snake biting others?" Essentially let the snake bite and not give aid to the victim or impose sanctions because that would be deemed as poking it.

See Post #282 that you replied to.

 

Well clearly we are not ignoring it, but I'm not in favor of jumping into a snake pit to attack snakes. But enough of analogies. I realize that you seem to be hiding behind that. I've already stated multiple times my position: I don't want a no fly zone or to involve the US military in fighting Russia. Since you agree, I'm confused what you think you are arguing about with me. Haven't you said basically the same thing? What are you still digging at because I'm not getting it.

 

Oh don't worry. Biden has a magical touch. We saw it in Afghanistan.

 

Don't be ridiculous. Though I do blame the largely Democratic opponents of ballistic missile defense for the U.S. not having a comprehensive ABM system.

 

The Snake analogy was all you. You started it. It is not like I started the analogy of snakes I just continued to use it for your sake because I thought that is what you wanted. To be honest I thought it was a bad analogy because it implies Putin or Russia, (depending on who you thought was the snake), did not act with reason only on instincts. I even give Putin more credit than that.

You are confused with what you are arguing with me about? You injected yourself in my conversation with another user when we were talking about the merits of arming a civilian population. You stated right off that you thought giving civilian weapons at this point was too late because they lack training. Our discussion went to how I supported supplying aid to Ukraine and Ukraine arming their citizens to fight off the invaders and supported economic sanctions against Russia. Our conversation was mostly along those lines but you seemed to be arguing against those 2 points because you thought it would lead to WW3. I agreed with your assessment that a no fly zone and a deployment of troops would lead to war and never supported those positions but that was something you added recently and I did not dispute it at all. I even gave you examples from an old thread where I spoke out against a no fly zone but I still support the initial 2 points of (1) Supply aid and Ukraine arming civilians (2) support economic sanctions against Russia. In my mind that was the only issue not the no fly zone or troops.

If you want to double check look back to post #239 and #274. It clearly outlines those 2 points.

 

I never claimed that arming civilians or supplying aid would lead to WWIII. I did say that it's too late to arm civilians (as far as effectiveness goes). So if that was your point, OK.