Trump says Nato 'no longer obsolete'

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    They appear to be playing only Assad's side and lying about it. Assad now claims that the chemical attack never happened and the videos of dead babies was staged using baby actors. The Russians yesterday claimed that Assad had been set up as well.
     
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    So I gather that you really don't know anything at all about Syria. Given that so little of it is actually arable land on which to live and those are the areas that are being fought over where exactly do you plan to create these imaginary "safe spaces"? Furthermore how do you intend to keep them "safe"?

    In essence neither you, nor your Imbecile-in-Chief ,have any clue as to a viable solution for Syria.
     
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    You are buying into the dead baby actors ??
     
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    Sure is getting crazy.
     
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    That was actually Hillary's plan. Take out the Syrian air force and create safe spaces. The coalition of NATO and the ME powers would provide the troops to protect them. Jordan is already doing so within their borders.
     
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    True.. less than 1/4 of Syria is arable land.. and that's turned into a dust bowl.
     
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    It's been crazy and tragic for a long time. Obama abandoned the victory in Iraq and all hell has broken loose. The world is not used to a US President actually acting to stop the tragedy. Eight years of the feckless foreign policy of the Obama administration has resulted in hundreds of thousands of deaths.
     
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    So now you are saying that Trump has less than nothing to offer? :eek:
     
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    There was no victory in Iraq... just an incubator for ISIS.
     
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    Nothing crazier than blaming Obama for the abject failures of the Bush/Cheney regime.
     
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    Sure there was. Iraq had a constitution and a representative democracy and a murder rate less than that of Brazil which hosted the summer Olympics. Obama threw that all away by pulling all military, intelligence, and governance personnel out. AQI was defeated in the surge but a few hundred survived and hid out in Syria. After we left Iraq they grew and attacked and defeated the Iraqi army which Maliki (under the influence of Iran) had gutted by removing all the experienced Sunni officers. ISIS occupied a large area of Iraq and killed thousands of innocent civilians. None of this would have happened if Obama had not abandoned Iraq and claimed that the democracy there was one of the greatest accomplishments of his Presidency.
     
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    :roflol:

    What a load of extremist alt right disinformation!

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    Obama was handed a safe, stable, and secure Iraq. He claimed that the democracy in Iraq was one of the greatest accomplishments of his Presidency. He then left disregarding all advice from the military and state department and the ME is what it is today.
     
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    It's completely accurate. Why did Obama leave Iraq ??
     
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    ISIS was born in Camp Bucca Prison, Iraq in 2004.. Most were former Republican Guard.

    Bush had already signed the SOFA and installed Maliki who was a Shia and an Iranian stooge.

    If only.. if only ... Bush had read a bit of British history in Iraq before he launched his invasion.
     
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    Bush jr NEGOTIATED and SIGNED the WITHDRAWAL agreement from Iraq!

    Blaming Obama for Bush/Cheney's failure to negotiate a better deal is ridiculous.
     
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    Because Bush/Cheney FAILED to negotiate a deal to remain in Iraq.
     
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    They were called AQI at the time.

    The SOFA was an excuse used by Obama to leave. He never seriously tried to renegotiate it and left. The ME went up in flames due to the power vacuum. Either Obama was incompetent for not understanding this or corrupt because he pulled out for political reasons not caring about the human tragedy consequences.

    Maliki was elected.
     
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    Obama was the President who pulled out. He made no effort to renegotiate the SOFA. And committed troops back into Iraq to fight ISIS without a SOFA. Curious that ??
     
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    Anyone who knew anything about the Middle East knew how Bush's war would turn out. .. and that Iran would be ascendant in the aftermath. There was no one other than Maliki.

    All that crap about how we would be welcomed as liberators and the war would be over in weeks.. and that Iraqi oil would pay the bill, was as wildly ignorant as anything I have ever heard.

    The oil business HATES a war zone.

    Iraq was already crippled by two decades of war and sanctions.. and we still couldn't control the highway between Baghdad and the airport.
     
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    It was the Bush/Cheney warmongering regime that illegally invaded Iraq under false pretenses, screwed it up so horribly that it required a "do-over" and then bungled the withdrawal.

    Blaming Obama is just a cop-out because the extremist alt right refuses to hold the Bush/Cheney regime accountable for their abysmal failure and the subsequent rise of ISIS in the vacuum that they created.
     
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    Well they sure didn't listen to the Arabs or the oilmen or historians or diplomats... who were saying NO.
     
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    Are you still thinking that Syria has oil?
     
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    Exactly. How, exactly, people supposed to learn that these practices are barbaric - if only thing they see in the 'western society' is guns, pointed at them, and bombs raining down on Iraq, Lybia, Syria, Afganistan et cetera..? The civilized enlightement worked pretty well in the past, why not rejuvenate these practices, instead of destroying any sort of government in the Middle East?
     
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    We do not have 'chemical weapon advisors', we are not using chemical weapons. Recheck your news, these baffoons either misunderstood somehing, or yet again trying to make high ratings on the anti-russian histeria.
     
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