Trump says Nato 'no longer obsolete'

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    Nothing against you personally, but why is Russia supporting Assad?
     
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    Oh i´m quite sure we will. Its about power comrade. This and nothing else. And we certainly have the power to achieve this. We deserve a more exposed place.

    1. NATO says we are the 2nd strongest nation right behind USA. USA says we must put more money into our military. Its a core goal from Trump. Our chancellor made clear that wont happen without concessions.

    2. France is weak and depends 100% on us. They are the sick man of Europe. They need our concessions regarding Eurobonds. This will have a prize.

    3. The UK is crushed by BREXIT. Scotland wants independence. The UK loses market acess to the EU. Germany demands the hardest position possible.

    4. Russia is in big economic trouble. The sanctions kill its economy. Putin again and again asks that the Sanctions are removed. Germany blocks this. I´m sure we could reach a point with russia regarding this.

    The only unknown factor is China. China is in trouble because its targeted by Trump regarding its trade surplus. Something it shares with Germany. Chinese president Xi already tries to form an alliance with us regardingt that. It could be useful.

    We only demand what we deserve.
     
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    Officially - because he is a UN recognized representative in Syria and to legally and unquestionably wage military operations in Syria against ISIL (who, I remind you, was recruiting people in our country and before our military moved in Syria have comitted several acts of terror in Dagestan republic, Chechnya republic and in Volgograd oblast) we need his approval. Apparently he demanded a support in return.

    And before you say that we did not needed it - when we sent our military beyond border to actually defend people from unlawful opression from government - every single fυcking newspaper on the western side of Karpates proclaimed it a military invasion and condemned our troops in South Ossetia. Nobody basically cared, that Saakashvili decided to follow steps of his fellow georgian Stalin and decided that to remove problem of ossetian separatists he can just remove the separatists themselves. And their wives. And their children. And whole Tkhinval with them. But don't bother talking about that, in a moment there will rush a democracy brigade and throw on my post lots of balloney about justice in actions of Saakashvili sending military with rocket artillery to subjugate 'pro-russian separatists' or 'russian invaders' or some shιt like that.
     
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    There is more to the world than Europe and the USA. Sheesh! This is exactly why there is already a problem with over-representation of Western powers in the UNSC. The make-up of NATO is irrelevant to the UNSC.
    Yes, this is the most convenient access to the UNSC table for Germany, as I have mentioned.
    Irrelevant to UNSC. If you think UK will relinquish its seat for economic reasons you have massively misjudged the situation.
    Irrelevant to the UNSC.
    If you think Russia will relinquish its seat for economic reasons you have massively misjudged the situation.
    It could be useful for what? China giving up its seat? You're dreaming

    You will only be given what others are willing to give.
     
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    After WWII we kept troops in Germany, Korea, and Japan to counter the threat of Soviet Russia and Red China. Oops - we actually pulled out our troops from Korea in 1947 - how did that turn out ?? And we pulled our troops out of Iraq in 2011 - how'd that turn out ?? Obama gave away the one democracy (save Israel) in the ME which would have been a powerful counter to the theocracy of Iran. Iraq is basically a puppet state of Iran now.

    The road was under complete control as was the rest of the country. Bush won the war and Obama gave it all away in the worst foreign policy blunder since Neville Chamberlain attempted to appease Hitler. Was Obama incompetent or corrupt ?? What is your opinion ??
     
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    Obama was handed a safe, secure, and stable Iraq. He gave it away resulting in the ME chaos we have today. The vacuum was the result of Obama's extreme foreign policy blunder. Obama called the democracy in Iraq one of his greatest accomplishments. Was he incompetent or corrupt regarding his decision to pull out of Iraq.
     
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    It also helps Russia to be the only supporter of Assad, together with Iran, to form a Shia "shield" isolating the Islamic oblasts from the Sunni gulf states. The Turkey - Azerbaijan valley of western influence can't be trusted in that respect.
     
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    People have eyes and ears. Where has this civilized enlightment worked in the ME in the past ??
     
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    You have GOT to be kidding me.
     
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    Read the history.
     
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    Attaturk
     
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    How's Turkey doing with that today ??
     
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    It is a civilized secular state. Last time I was there - it looked absolutely normal.
     
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    Erdogan has been moving Turkey towards an Islamic state for since (coincidentally ??) Obama moved all US military out of Iraq.

    http://www.timesofisrael.com/erdogans-turkey-less-nationalism-more-islam/

    http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/unpredictable-erdogan-explained-hea-joining-isil/ri11795

    http://news.nationalpost.com/full-c...his-country-into-an-islam-tilted-dictatorship
     
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    The withdrawal was completed at the end of 2011
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    Not so well with Erdogan's Islamic-flavoured "back to basics" populism. But there was an enlightenment and resistance to Erdogan's efforts is sourced in that liberalising spirit. I could also point you to the UAE.
     
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    You think Iraq was a "democracy"?
     
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    Well, Erdogan already got a responce from population and is not going to be a president forever. I am confident, turks can handle their country by themselves.
     
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    And what happened in 2014 ?? What happened in Korea in 1950 after we pulled out in 1947 ??
     
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    It was a Constitutional Republic with Shia, Sunni, Kurd, and women representatives.
     
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    Maliki was anti Sunni.. ..
     
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    Maliki was Shia. Obama pulled all US troops out of Iraq in 2011. Iran is Shia and is the world's leading exporter of terrorism. Iran is anti Sunni. Maliki did Iran's bidding for political reasons (and self preservation). He removed all Sunni military leaders and had a Sunni Vice President arrested (the arrest warrant came the day after the last of the US troops left).
     
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    Iran is NOT "anti Shia"...
     
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    No one wants that anyone gives up a seat. We want an additional one and get the position we deserve. Germany wants that the entire UNSC is reformed. You cant argue that in its current form its useless anyways. We want a seat and we also push for India and India pushs for us.
     
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    My obvious mistake - Iran is Shia and anti Sunni.
     

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