Trump voters think Trump is more trustworthy than their religious leaders. What does this mean?

But you keep trying to derail it with things unrelated, specifically, your posts.....what's up with that?

 

I simply pointed out that 84% of Democrats see Biden as Trustworthy, when he is an obvious crook, while only 44% of Republicans view Trump as trustworthy.

What does that say about Democrats?

Republicans just seem to be more skeptical in general than Democrats. You may not like the point, but, it's solid and pertains and frankly buries the claim that 71% trust in Trump indicates cult like devotion, but 84% trust in Biden, doesn't?

 

And, as stated before, your posts continue to have zero to do with a topic you don't like yet bump...an enigma wrapped up in actual fake news. Discomforting Trump supporter thread bumped...

 

I don't think Trump is honest at all. He will say and pretty much do anything to get his way, and, in politics, will "flipflop" on political issues when his base demands such actions. For instance, in 2016, he said that he would protect LGBTQ rights. Now, in his 2024 campaign, he has changed that position entirely or has kept mum on saying anything at all. Furthermore, you may want to try Paula White, Greg Lourie, or even Jackson Lehmeyer. However, when it comes to televangelists, Jimmy Swaggert was the least of these. In Texas, we had one televangelist who went to jail over mail fraud. You were supposed to send money to the pastor and he would pray when you wrote to him. Turns out, he just kept the money and did not pray. The guy's name was Kenneth Copeland. And he is back at it again, doing the same thing, except you send him $1000. Then you have the Bakkers, Jim and Tammy Faye. Jim went to jail, eventually for eight years. And recently, you have Kirbyjon H. Caldwell who was sentenced in Shreveport, LA in 2018 in a fraud scheme similar to Kenneth Copeland. But the main reason why people don't trust their religious leaders is that when you go to church now, it is either a motivational speech, like Olsteen in Houston, with Bible verses mixed in along with a mini-concert, or you are given innuendos on political matters such as being gay and such. Mixed in are church leaders, youth leaders, and such who are arrested for child pornography, sexual misconduct, affairs, and such. Some also live in elaborate houses built and donated by the Church, far more glamorous than the average parishioner, among other things. That in total is the reason why. And this is far different than what going to Church and belonging to a church was 30 years ago.

But when it comes to politics, these very same people also believe pretty much everything the internet tells them, no matter the source. And that is why Trump, who has been very diligent in his public image, as they believes Trump more than anyone else. And if there is criticism, then the usual responses by his supporters are: they hate the man, they don't understand the man, or they are only going after him because they want Joe Biden to win, etc. But Trump has had more affairs than William Jefferson Clinton. One such famous affair was with someone named Marla Maples in the 1980s and early 90s while he was married to Ivana. And he did the same thing when married to Marla. And did the same thing when he is now married with Melania. And yet, Trump denies this of course despite all the evidence to the contrary. But god forbid if Joe Biden just touches another woman in a plutonic way, and the MEGA supporters will make all sorts of accusations and some like you will believe it, eventually.

 

LOL, so we are discussing Trump's honesty and why people believe in it and here you are going off topic which @Hey Now never even mentioned. I think your lack of thought and argument on this is clear, and you are throwing as much dung on the wall to see what sticks. None it will stick in this thread except by you and a few cohorts.

That being the case, you are free to believe whatever you want, including the so-called corruption of the Joe Biden administration. However, no evidence has been shown at all. Not a single one. Bank statements don't prove corruption alone. You need a hell of a lot more legally to make it so. FD 1023s, nope. The whistleblowers, nope. None so far and it has been over two years on this at a bare minimum.

 

I am wondering if the results of this poll is the basis of what people believe on the internet, social media, etc.

 

Well I can understand the spouses number. How many of the one third not trusted said unfortunate things about T****?

 

That is your opinion just as some Democrats see Trump as a crook with his four indictments by four different grand juries in four different jurisdictions. This does not include the civil legal troubles Trump is facing with E Jean Carroll and his NY State Civil Fraud lawsuit on his company.

 

the spouse's number is an indication of the divorce rate in this country, about 50% overall. Higher if you are married more than once, and so forth. There is even rumblings between Trump and Melania over whether Barron should be there to support his father politically. Melania does not want that. Trump does, and there is an underlying of trust between the two overall.

 

Fake News. Read the thread. It was claimed that 71% of Trump voters viewing Trump as ethical indicated a cult like view, so, I checked polling and found that 84% of Democrats view Biden's Administration as ethical and simply asked if that shows an even higher degree of cult like behavior among Dems than Trump voters.

Are you claiming that it was improper for me to point that out and that by doing so that I have violated TOS?

Does it bother you that way too much of the Left, as soon as they struggle in the exchange of ideas, immediately try to declare their interlocutor's point as one that is 'forbidden" rather than coming up with a better counter argument or conceding their lost point?

 

Have read some good books that partially address this issue. The argument being that religion use to be led from the top but today we see religion becoming more guided by the will of the flock. Not entirely sure why though. Although I do believe that we tend to interpret theological texts in a way that fits into our predetermined view of the way things are or ought to be. Conventional wisdom says religion molds us, and to a degree that is true. Yet we can also interpret religion in a convenient and self serving way.

 

"Trump voters think Trump is more trustworthy than their religious leaders. What does this mean?"

Ummm??? Just spitballing here but, TRAITOR tRump voters REALLY need better religious leaders???

 

No. 84% of Dem voters think Bribed Biden's Administration is ethical, so this simply shows that Republicans are more reasonably skeptical of their leaders.

 

Whuuuuuuuuut?

One hundred percent of ... reasonable ... Americans are waiting for ... real ... evidence, not accusations, that President Biden is guilty of wrong doing. IF that happens then 100% of Democrats and reasonable Americans will be FOR the prosecution of any crimes committed.

IF "Republicans" were actually, at all "skeptical" of their leaders, they wouldn't be trying to try TRAITOR tRumps crimes in the court of public opinion or on the internet; instead of letting OUR justice system work.

 

It's not a crime to ask for a recount. It's not a crime to ask for a meeting.

Trump’s request for a signature verified recount from state legislators and election officials such as Georgia’s secretary of state, Brad Raffensperger was perfectly legal. Some of these folks wanted him to drop the subject because they failed to maintain the paper trail that would allow them to show that the margin of victory was cast by legal voters. His pursuit of a signature verified recount may have made them uncomfortable, but, that's not a crime, and in fact, they changed their law so that if Trump asked again, in the future they will be able to comply with this perfectly reasonable request.

What Willis keeps calling 'fake' electors are nothing more than contingent electors in the unlikely event that Trump managed to get a favorable court ruling. Remember, in 1960 DEMOCRATS sent contingent electors to vote for JFK, when their official electors were sent to vote for Richard Nixon, and Congress in a ECV count presided over by VP Nixon, seated the contingent electors and allowed them to cast their votes for JFK.

Nobody claimed they were committing a crime and certainly no one charged them. Apparently this County Prosecutor couldn't be bothered with researching fairly recent history. She didn't like is, and she thinks whatever she doesn't like must be a 'crime'.

 

It IS a crime to use the full force and power of the Presidency to influence election officials.

Georgia has already done a hand recount of their votes. You'll have to supply where TRAITOR tRump made such a request because what AMERICA heard was; "I need you to find 11,000 votes.

Your "contingent electors were chosen by TRAITOR tRump or his RICO accomplices not the States involved and had no legal standing, but were to got to DC to illegally change the outcome of the election. They failed because Pence wouldn't play ball.

Because the States were involved in there selection or the Kennedy campaign.

You have no way to know what she's thinking. But, she is a talented prosecutor with good advisors that would have informed her, if she wasn't already self-aware, of the history involved if it applied; but it didn't.

You're whole post is based on unsupported right wing, after the fact, nonsense dreamed up to justify the call to Raffensperger. The call that was anything but "perfect" and unjustifiable and, illegal use of the power of the Presidency.

 

Are not a crime.

It was the Democrats that supported Kennedy, not the State. The State electors were votes for Nixon. Congress chose the contingent electors.

She's a political hack. Her filing is so sloppy that it has spelling errors.

It's not illegal to ask for a signature verified recount. You want it to be a crime for Republicans to challenge elections as if we haven't noticed that Democrats challenge elections all the time.

 

"If 71% (Trump Voters) = Cult"

no one is saying 71% of Trump supporters are a cult, some Trump supporters are, but nowhere near that percent

 

The hard core MAGA? Definitely c**t.

 

FAKE NEWS: 44% of Republicans trust Trump ahead of anyone else in the world.

And for almost 20% more, while they don't trust him that much-- while they realize that he is a liar-- he is their top pick for President, and would gladly vote the lying sack of

Hey, Alwayssa. Would you mind clarifying what you mean?

 

Apparently you can't address the actual comment I made, so you snipped out the two words, the ones in red, to make your response plausible.
"Your "contingent electors were chosen by TRAITOR tRump or his RICO accomplices not the States involved and had no legal standing, but were to get to DC to illegally change the outcome of the election. They failed because Pence wouldn't play ball."

Again you're being duplicitous. You've left out quite a bit of what actually happened with regard to the "Kennedy contingent electors". Hawaii was running up against the deadline to certify their electors while, at the same time, they were involved in a recount of the presidential election which on the first count Nixon had won by a very slim margin, hence the recount. So that they would be ready the Democrats appointed 3 Kennedy "contingent" electors in case the recount went Kennedy's way. When the recount was completed Kennedy had won the State, the Hawaiian Govern then certified the "contingent" electors and sent their votes to DC to be counted by congress. That was after a State Judge affirmed the validity of the electors as legitimate because they had been accepted by the Governor. Nixon, being VP, accepted the Hawaiian electoral votes.

That's quite different than TRAITOR tRump and his seditious conspirators signing up "alternative" electors and, giving them falsified documents without ANY involvement or sanction from their STATE.

OMG, spelling errors! Spelling errors in a very complex document; who has ever heard of such a thing.

Well, actually there are spelling errors in OUR Constitution. (THE GREATEST document ever written by man for mankind) Yet, I've never heard anyone claim the Founders were political hacks.

Correct; it's NOT illegal to ask for a recount and it's not illegal to challenge an election. But, when recounts and challenges fail to go your way, it AbsaByGodLutely IS illegal to use the power of the presidency, it's legal counsel and appointed advisors, and other hacks you've enlisted to overturn an legal election you know you"ve lost, to lean on State and Local election officials to "FIND" you votes.

 

Fake News. I quite clearly stated the punch line, they were the slate accepted by Congress. I wonder if missing the point didn't require deliberate effort.

I know. It reflects how sloppy her work is.

He was simply noting how close the margin of the election was, and why a signature verified recount was so very important, which by the way, WAS NEVER CONDUCTED. They have changed their procedures, so going forward they will be able to conduct a signature verified recount, so Trump actually improved their election integrity by making this very reasonable demand.

"Yes, They Were Being Bribed": Fired Ukraine Prosecutor Corroborates Biden Corruption

"The fact that Joe Biden gave away $1 billion in U.S. money in exchange for my dismissal - my firing - isn't that alone a case of corruption?"

With Biden's obvious corruption, 84% of Democrats view Biden's Administration as "ethical" which is a bad joke. If 71% of Trump voters trusting his integrity makes some suspect them of cult like devotion, what does 84% trust in Bribed Biden's administration indicate?

 

No. Just more than religious leaders. Trump voters simply are not particularly trusting of religious leaders. There is nothing wrong with a very healthy skepticism of religious leaders. It is shocking that 84% of Democrats trust the Bribed Biden Administration, do you think this might indicate some sort of cult-like thing among Dems?

 

Do you ever have the urge to read the OP before you jump into a discussion about the OP?

 

I have read the thread. Why in the hell would you start accusing about @Hey Now when you wrote this:

And what I highlighted in BOLD is why I first commented on your post. This is not "fake news," This is your own words, in black and white about trustworthiness. and I was not commenting on your assertion that 84% of Dems think Biden is Trustworthy in which you did some mathematical manipulations on your own BTW.

To put it quite simply, you believe, literally, anything AND everything that Trump says and does. Trump can say to his followers in a political speech that the world is flat, that there is video of him committing homicide, that the sun rises in the west and sets in the east, and so forth. And yet you accuse @Hey Now and others of doing the same thing. Look yourself in the mirror boy and why in the hell would you still follow someone who has four indictments in four separate jurisdictions, all done by the grand jury, all having evidence presented by his own staff, former administration officials, and employees at Mar A Lago, in which you still trust in what he says? Come on man, if you can call yourself a real man. And then you believe absolutely that Biden is corrupt despite no evidence, no indictments, not even a criminal referral by the House Oversight Committee and so forth.