Vaccine controversy

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  1. Moi621

    Moi621 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Vaccines is the wrong primary defense

    Anti Viral medicines is the way to go.


    Moi
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    Make mine a Flumadine & Ivermectin cocktail ! !
     
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    Here you go. February 1, 2021.
    https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3777268
    Click on download the PDF. It won't allow you to open it on a browser without a subscription so you have to download it first, then open. See that this is a complex study with many other pieces of info, but the transmission part is down there, too.

    Bottom of page 14, and comments in the middle of page 18.

    I quoted wrongly by memory. The confidence interval is 49% to 78%. Do notice that their transmission inference is indirect, though.
     
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  3. HereWeGoAgain

    HereWeGoAgain Banned

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    I asked my local pharmacist at Walgreens when they expect to get the vaccine. He didn't know yet. But his tech chimed in and said that her Pfizer vaccine put her in the hospital for a week! The pharmacists objected a bit and said it was due to her diabetes. Apparently it threw her into ketoacidosis? That doesn't make sense. I would bet one thing had nothing to do with the other.
     
  4. truth and justice

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    thank you
     
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    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    Thanks for mentioning that.

    These products are not vaccines in the traditional medical and legal terms. They are gene manipulation injections.

    Thus, if one patient was put into ketoacidosis by the injection, it would not be surprising. Just as the gynecologist in Miami was manipulated into a weird blood disease, this gal's body was changed too.

    Caveat Emptor!

    Snake Oil salesmen are everywhere these days in Big Pharma.
     
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  6. dagosa

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    Huh? You’re delusional. This method has been used for a long time. You act like it’s something new. Do some research instead mouthing Fix News.
     
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  7. dagosa

    dagosa Well-Known Member

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    So now your smarter then. John’s Hopkins.
    Please start applying for the medical team at Fix News. Maybe they can get you a job in Oz.
    https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/hea...eases/coronavirus/is-the-covid19-vaccine-safe
     
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  8. yabberefugee

    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    "Why do you think that any government would want to stop you going back to normal?" Control I would say.
    Why else would they promote the idea masks are the new normal? It never was normal to me.....though often I complied out of respect to those that differ. If government can mandate where you go, who you can see, then you have surrendered a great deal of control of your life. Government, by definition, would like that "new normal!"
     
  9. dagosa

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    You’ve been deciding gov competency after four years of listening to Dr. Trumps medical advice, who claims to know more then GOD....he’s the second “cuming.” Where, we haven’t figured that out.
     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I agree with you personally about the vaccines. Got #1 today. What bothers me, like a lot of people, I see you interchange the word "indoctrination" with education. In other words, if individuals don't agree with YOUR personal indoctrination......... you call it a "poor personal decision".
     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I would say the same about your position. You claim to follow the science....but not all scientist agree with your establishment government minions. I know.....you try to cancel them out, as in everything you disagree with, but individual liberty does not work that way. We have choice. Perhaps you've been listening to Dr. Fauci for four years and we know he is all over the map. If you want a degree of integrity in the collectivist system you seem to desire......you need to be consistant.
     
  12. dagosa

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    Go ahead, give us examples. You won’t be successful if you give actual quotes in their entirety. Deniers problem is, they don’t know how science works. Good science is not wrong nor is it perfectly right. If you knew how it works, you’d know why. Science gives you the results of the “scientific method” in use on a particular topic. That you don’t understand that is obvious.

    Fauci was spot on with every thing he said , if one bothers to actually read his quotes and not listen to Fix News versions of it.
     
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  13. yabberefugee

    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Well, if you would re read the post to which I replied, it was inferred that those who disagree with the poster suffer a "lack of education". It was said: "There seems to be a huge lack education which is at the forefront of most poor personal decisions." This poster has used this tactic for years. So, am I putting random words on paper as you now infer? Or am I addressing this overused dishonest tactic? Guess I have addressed two tactics in one!!:banana:
     
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    That’s exactly right. Making bad personal choice is most often done out of ignorance of all the facts. The only way to avoid most bad choices, is to educate yourself with best sources. Anyone who wants to get their medical advice from Trump and not Fauci, who Trump bragged he disagreed with about dealing with pandemics, deserves all the sht they get.

    Seriously, is this an argument for ignorance and against education in decision making ?
     
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    Again, to what advantage?
    Why would governments around the world damage their own economies unless it was absolutely necessary?
    Just so they can control whether you get a haircut or go to a bar?
    Nonsense.
     
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    Really! Please explain exactly how that works.
     
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    The poster you are responding to doesn't know a thing about the science of diabetic ketoacidosis, or covid vaccines. He is just throwing sh&t at the wall to see what sticks to further his anti-vaxxer crusade.
     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So what's right. One mask, two mask, no mask at all? He's taken all those positions. The other day I heard him say "two masks would be better than one, common sense would tell you that". Since when does common sense come in to play? I thought we were talking science? Those of us that rely on our common sense to decide "which" science are refuted as uneducated. I guess when you set yourself up as some kind of "elite tsar", anything you says goes! That is the whole point here Dagosa.......you often do that yourself! You just don't seem to know how common sense works! That's why you confuse "indoctrination" with "education".
     
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    Probability and statistical analysis.
     
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    Just putting something in quotes and saying “you heard” doesn’t cut it in the real world. It does on Fix News, just not here. Provide a full quote with no omissions with a link so anyone else can read it in full and this post might make some sense. Otherwise, it’s just babble.

    The two mask vs one mask questions is a softball and really easy for anyone who knows just a little science. You don’t seem to care to so you’ll have to ask it as a question or look it up yourself.
     
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    Indoctrination is what they attempt do in FIX News. Education is something that only “you” are responsible for. Obviously, you seem to be arguing in favor of ignorance over education when it comes to making decisions. Look up the meaning of “education”.

    The old “common sense “ arguement. Laughable. Common sense cannot take place under the guise of ignorance. It doesn’t even exist if one isn’t aware of facts. Get real. Being ignorant is a road block to common sense.
     
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    Indoctrination is what MSM is all about.
     
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    I know. That's why I asked him to explain it. ;)
     
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    That isn't an explanation. That is a crackpot answer.
     
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    You don't seem to care about science that is contrary to your views.
     

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