Voter ID is racist??

An unnamed source.......yeah sure. And he says quote; "I know that the cutting out of the Sunday before Election Day was one of their targets only because that's a big day when the black churches organize themselves," He knows........not someone told him that is why they were doing it or that there was a meeting about it or memos handed out.......he just knows that is why. That is NOT evidence of some massive racist conspirace. It also doesn't pass the basic logic test because last time I checked white people in the South go to church alot as well. Once again this sounds like political trickery based on some game theory that early voters will help the Democrats somehow.

http://elections.gmu.edu/early_vote_2012.html

As you can see more than half the people nationwide voted early this election and the vast majority of them are obviously white. And as you can see with the states that listed party affiliation with the exception or Pennsylvania they all heavily favored Democrats. Is this political targeting......hell yes. Is it cynical and is it just flat out dishonest.........probably. However, I have still seen zero evidence that this was solely done for the purposes of screwing black voters. They were trying to screw all early voters including the vast numbers of white voters.

Quoting you;

"I'll leave it to others to connect the dots but as I see it the voting laws being passed by Republican state legislatures are unquestionably based upon nefarious attempts to corrupt the voting process politically and that they are targeting blacks because blacks almost exclusively vote for Democrats. Is that racist? Well, if it's targeting blacks to suppress the vote for Democrats then I would call it racist but others can make up their own minds.

I agree with the premise that its politically motivated and I don't have any issue with early voting myself as frankly it is no different than absentee voting in mechanics. However when you are going to call a bunch of people racist that is one of the harshest and most damaging things that can be said about someone in today's society. You had better have proof to back it up and you clearly don't.

This still doesn't address how voter ID laws which are completely separate from early voting are somehow racist. Its a freaking photo ID which you need to successfully function in today's society. Are black people somehow incapable of getting a simple photo ID yet somehow they are capable enough of showing up and voting and figuring out the voting machines? How is that any different than when the Dems run around and claim that Republicans are trying to "drag us back to the Jim Crow days".

The churches I went to as a kid had very strict policies of separation of church and state. However even though the pastor never mentioned anything about who to vote for or even to vote at all if it was around election time or even some big event such as the Iraq invasion (haven't been to church in years so I am using my last example I remember) everyone was talking about before and after the service. Assuming that this is how it normally works then you can bet that people were talking politics at church in the days before the election........just not the pastors during the sermon for obvious tax exempt reasons. Blacks have long ignored this unwritten rule and frankly I don't blame them as it is a bit silly since everyone who attends church even somewhat regularly knows who the pastor is going to vote for anyways.

In summary, I don't have any issue with you calling them out for being partisan and underhanded........its no different than the 2000 Florida fiasco when Gore tried to get military votes throw out and also only selected three heavily Democratic counties for recounts instead of the entire state. I expect this type of crap to happen from both sides till the ends of the universe.

I do have an issue with you making blanket statements about how people like me who support voter ID or even making early voting laws more uniform as some massive racist conspiracy. I also want all states to have their primaries on the same day or at the very least rotate them so that every state has a chance to be one of the early ones........I guess that means I must really hate people in Vermont and New Hampshire. Oh wait it has nothing to do with them I just think that its silly the way it is now just as I think that its silly to not allow states to require voter ID if they want it. If you don't like voter ID then move to a state that doesn't require it or get politicking in your state if it does and try and get it removed. DO NOT try and force you idealogy on other people. SCOTUS has already ruled multiple times now that vote ID requirements are perfectly Constitutional.

Once again I want proof that people like me who want voter ID or make voting laws more consistent, just want to mess with black people or shut the hell up. I am sick of your side calling everyone a racist because they don't support Obamacare or want voter ID or they don't like the stimulus spending. It is obnoxious and just asinine.

 

I express that as my personal conclusion based upon numerous factors that would also include that 78% of Republicans expressed explicit anti-black racial prejudice in a scientific study done last year. Some Republicans argue that the "78% of Republicans" is an inaccurate number but not a single one has ever produced another percentage related to anti-black racial prejudice by Republicans.

But apparently, based upon the above statement, there is agreement that these laws are for nefarious political purposes and should be universally condemned based upon that factor alone. If we should all condemn these laws because the laws are politically motivated then why is anyone defending them for any reason? Racist based or not the laws need to be condemned because they are for nefarious political purposes, period.

 

your comments just show how looney your assertions are

a vote in a federal election never killed anyone

 

WOW! More bull(*)(*)(*)(*) from you why am I not surprised. Did you bother to read the study or do you just parrot your talking points emails like a good little mindless drone? http://www.stanford.edu/dept/communication/faculty/krosnick/docs/2012/2012 Voting and Racism.pdf

From your study.... "Implicit anti-Black attitudes manifested almost the identical pattern but with smaller differences between the parties, higher apparent levels of anti-Black attitudes among Democrats, and lower apparent levels of such attitudes among Republicans." In other words you just lied about how you really feel about blacks which isn't surprising considering how your side has been in charge of the vast majority of their populace for 60+ years now and yet still manage to run around with a straight face and blame all the problems in the black community on politicians who don't even have any control over their day to day lives. Democrats run the schools, city councils, comptrollers, police and fire chiefs, alderman etc. How is that working out so far? How have you guys improved the black community?

The survey also labels you a racist if you agree with the statement that “Irish, Italians, Jewish, and other minorities overcame prejudice and worked
their way up. Blacks should do the same without special favors."

So basically if you are against affirmative action programs then you are automatically a racist. This study doesn't even pretend to be unbiased. It just assumes that if you think black people are no different than other people and are capable of the same things then by definition you are a racist.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2012/10/27/poll-black-prejudice-america/1662067/

"The poll finds that racial prejudice is not limited to one group of partisans. Although Republicans were more likely than Democrats to express racial prejudice in the questions measuring explicit racism (79% among Republicans compared with 32% among Democrats), the implicit test found little difference between the two parties. That test showed a majority of both Democrats and Republicans held anti-black feelings (55% of Democrats and 64% of Republicans), as did about half of political independents (49%).

So you are a racist if you don't think blacks should receive special treatment according to the study which is why Republicans got such a high score on the questionaire .........DUH! but when it comes to the psychological test where its just how your raw reactions your side is shown to be just as racist. Also not shocking since people from any race tend to be racist against people who are not of their race that is called human nature. We trust what is more familiar to us.

Now that was fun destroying your idiotic post and you asinine study.

 

There are plenty of older people online, and if not, you seem to imply that there isn't anyone who could help her take care of this? The questions are easy, they are things that you will know, if you are you. Things like "which of these addresses did you live at" or "which of these banks did you have an account with". Simple things that you should know, but that would be a bit more difficult for someone else to figure out.

These "barriers" are quite a stretch. They are the same "barriers" a person has to almost anything in today's society, and claiming that requiring an ID to vote is racist has to mean that all of the other things that require ID are just as racist and should be repealed for the same reason. You can't claim ID requirements are racist in one case and not in others. Requiring an ID to buy a car, a house, or to take out a loan is racist. Requiring an ID to get a job, buy alcohol or buy a firearm is racist. Requiring an ID to get into the Democratic National Convention must also have been equally racist as requiring ID to vote. Either it is racist in all cases, or it isn't racist in any cases. Picking and choosing to suit your pet program doesn't work.

 

I never referred to "implicit anti-black prejudice" in any of my statements. "Explicit" is expressed whereas "implicit" is implied and there is a huge difference between the two. Explicit is not subject to interpretation but implicit is exclusively related to interpretation.

Now, provide any study that established expressed "explicit" anti-black racial prejudice is different than the 78% for Republicans that was established by the study. If it's not 78% then what is it and what is that based upon? I'd really like to know.

It can be noted that the statement "higher apparent levels of anti-Black attitudes among Democrats, and lower apparent levels of such attitudes among Republicans" related to the relationship to "explicit" anti-black racial prejudice where 32% Democrats and 78% of Republicans expressed explicit racial prejudice. It was a comparison within the political group and not a comparison between the political groups More than 32% of Democrats and less than 78% of Republicans expressed "implicit" anti-black racial prejudice.

BTW I'm a card carrying Libertarian and we have our own problems with explicit anti-black racial prejudice. I haven't found a study that identified the percentage of libertarians with explicit anti-black racial prejudice but I freely admit that its a serious problem for libertarians that we need to address.

 

Back to a fundamental point.

The "voting laws" being passed by Republicans need to be condemned because they are for nefarious political purposes.

There is no dispute related to this fact so why are Republicans proposing these laws and why is anyone supporting laws that are solely intended to provide a political advantage to Republicans in elections by nefariously suppressing the vote of the opposition?

 

On the Texas website, you need ID to get a BC.
In Texas 11% of the Hispanic voters don't have ID now.
Why put them through all that BS, what are you preventing? There is no voter ID fraud in the US.
Bush made it a priority, and they found 100 cases in 8 years.
It just doesn't happen.
Look, the reason for Voter ID laws is to skew the vote, Republicans have admitted that the purpose for these laws is to reduce minority voting.
There is no voter fraud, so it's not about voter fraud, if you think it's about voter fraud, you've been duped.

Personally, I think trying to disenfranchise Hispanic voters in Texas is about the stupidest thing the GOP can do, Texas politics are going to depend more and more on the Hispanic vote, and this issue is a great tool for Democrats to use to energize Hispanic voters, to increase their participation, and to insure they never vote for the party that sets out to reduce the Hispanic vote.

 

Proponents of state-mandated picture ID cards have demonstrated no extant problem that their buteaucratic imposition would resolve.

They have no evidence that an election has ever been won or lost via sufficient numbers of coordinated, illegitimate voters.

If such a conspiracy were ever undertaken, having to flash a fake ID at a poll nanny would not prevent it.

Absent such a demonstrable systemic flaw in the elective process, the barrier to voting they would erect before an American exercising her constitutional right is unjustifiable.

It's merely the latest incarnation of voter intimidation, a poll tax, or a "literacy" test.

 

Did you just claim that the explicit measurement is not dependent on interpretation? Did you just seriously make that claim. Once again did you bother to read the actual study....obviously not. I just posted one of the questions where you are considered a racist if you support that question. Being against affirmative actions is NOT racist it is a political viewpoint. The belief that giving someone something at the expense of other people is against the very essence of NAP which is the fundamental philosophy of Libertarianism.

You are the most bull(*)(*)(*)(*) Libertarian I have ever seen because you were the same one running around saying Libertarians were going to vote for Obama. I don't know a single Libertarian including myself who even considered voting for a self described big government liberal. They either didn't vote, a couple grudgingly voted for Romney including me or they went third party. Obama ran his campaign on having the government solve everyone's problems and that is anathema to any serious Libertarian and the NAP.

You completely ignore the arguable more accurate implicit rating, based on subconscious reactions of pictures, for racism where both Dems and Reps have very little difference and both were in the majority. So you cherry pick the least accurate and clearly most biased representation of racism and quote that and ignore the arguably more accurate metric and hope that no one notices. You will lie, post half truths in the hope that you can fool people.
You claimed that you were sure that Republicans did it just to get the black vote down and I will once again quote you.

""I'll leave it to others to connect the dots but as I see it the voting laws being passed by Republican state legislatures are unquestionably based upon nefarious attempts to corrupt the voting process politically and that they are targeting blacks because blacks almost exclusively vote for Democrats. Is that racist? Well, if it's targeting blacks to suppress the vote for Democrats then I would call it racist but others can make up their own minds.

You made the accusation and you failed miserably in trying to prove it with a study that you clearly did not bother to read. You made a blanket stereotype of people that want voter ID laws on some wild eyed nationwide racist conspiracy. If you don't like them changing the laws then call them out for what it is, political, don't accuse people of being racist just because they don't agree with you.

I will quote the study once again

""The poll finds that racial prejudice is not limited to one group of partisans. Although Republicans were more likely than Democrats to express racial prejudice in the questions measuring explicit racism (79% among Republicans compared with 32% among Democrats), the implicit test found little difference between the two parties. That test showed a majority of both Democrats and Republicans held anti-black feelings (55% of Democrats and 64% of Republicans), as did about half of political independents (49%).

Explicit is the questionare where you are called a racist for disagreeing with affirmative action (every Libertarian should be) and the implicit one was based on human reactions where there was little difference between Dems an Reps and the majority of both are "racist"

But I am not done smacking you down and showing everyone here what you really are. http://articles.washingtonpost.com/...1_voter-id-laws-voter-suppression-voter-fraud

"Moreover, big majorities of those whom critics see as bearing the brunt of the laws are supportive of them, including about three-quarters of seniors and those with household incomes under $50,000 and two-thirds of non-whites."

Does that mean that those two thirds of non-whites who are supportive of voter ID laws are all racist? According to your crappy reasoning they are. I am ashamed that you call yourself a Libertarian because you clearly diametrically opposed to even its most basic principles and people that read your posts will get the wrong impression about us.

 

First of all complaining about a single question (and I've read every question that was on the survey) does not dispute the survey. Please provide the results of another survey that contradict the results of this one. There have been no surveys to my knowledge that present conflicting results.

Next, when addressing Affirmative Action there isn't a single study that has ever established anti-white discrimination related to either employment or education in the United States. Anecdotal stories do not establish statistical relevance.

I opposed voting for both Romney and Obama and advocated and voted for Gary Johnson. Apparently I'm being confused with someone else.

The study went across all political ideologies (even though Libertarians weren't specifically identified) and regardless of any criteria the fact is that there is a huge problem with anti-black racial prejudice that leads to discrimination and denial of opportunity for African-Americans. It doesn't matter of a person is a Democrat, Republican, Libertarian, or Independent the problem is extensive and unacceptable for all political ideology. Unlike Democrats and Republican I don't live in denial of the problem by quibbling over the percentage because the problem is so huge that the percentages are fundamentally irrelevant at this stage. We need to reduce anti-black racial prejudice in American that leads to discrimination and denial of equality by at least 90% across the board before the percentages will really begin to matter. So why aren't Democrats and Republicans addressing the anti-black racial prejudice within their own parties? Both seem to be living in denial of the fact that they're also responsible for the problem and that only they can fix the problem within their own party. Everyone wants to deny their own responsibility and instead blame someone else and I refuse to do that because I also condemn my fellow Libertarians for the same problem and I'm working within my own party to address it.

Yes, I did make that statement because many factors contribute to that belief. If nothing else the fact that 95% of blacks voted Democratic in the last election makes them the most logical group to address for Republicans. They could target Latinos but then they could proportionately lose 25% of the affected Latino vote along with the Democrats losing 75%. The "odds" are far better for Republicans to target blacks than Latinos. If I was a Republican that wanted to nefariously affect the vote I'd probably target blacks as well because that's where the "most cluck for the buck" is because virtually all blacks vote Democratic. I sure wouldn't target whites because their vote is split about equally.

I never stated that the nefarious voting laws were a national conspiracy. They appear to be a state by state conspiracy overwhelmingly by Republicans that seek to corrupt vote for nefarious political reasons (i.e. to suppress the Democratic vote to win elections). There hasn't been an attempt to impose federal voting laws for nefarious political purposes to my knowledge by Republicans but then perhaps I missed it.

Ending the BS.

1. If there is another study that disputes the results of the study I've provided then show me.

2, Some Republicans have openly admitted that there isn't actually a voter fraud problem (i.e. the fact that there isn't a voter fraud problem is supported by verifiable sources) and that the sole intent of the Republican voter laws was to corrupt the election process so more Republicans could get elected (also supported based upon outside documentation).

 

YOUR comment just shows how illiterate you are.

You've been confronted with numerous examples, from abroad and domestically, showing what happens when too many Stupids vote. So you resort to repeating your blind assertion, dismissing the factual refutation of your claim.

How many times did you vote for King Obama, Fascist and Traitor? Four times, six, maybe nine?

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Yeah, the Stupids do believe that stopping their masters from cheating elections to be EEEEEEVIILLLLLE!!!!!

 

Explain why you are opposed to fair and honest elections.

 

What BULL(*)(*)(*)(*)! The Baake Decision made it perfectly clear that universities were discriminating against white applicants. More importantly, the unqualified slug that took Baake's place in school went on to become a real genuine "doctor", got hisself a diploma and everything. He took his valuable skills out to serve the minority community of Los Angeles, sucking the fat out of Big People...and then sending them home to bleed to death.

Yeah, the wonders of letting the less qualified to take seats in class, because diversity is far more wonderful than skill, aptitude, and patients that live through having their fat sucked out.

How did voting for Johnson present any possibility of stopping King Obama, Fascist and Traitor? Or did you live in a state chock full of RATS so it was certain that King Obama, Fascist and Traitor, was going to get all the EV's anyway?

What problem? That people are being forced by unconstitutional laws to hire people they don't want on the payroll? That is a serious matter, something that shouldn't be allowed to stand.

If blacks WANT to remain on the plantations built by Jefferson Davis, it's not up to the Americans to offer to buy them from the Democrats. The Republicans, for the most part, offer plans and platforms intended to expand the liberties of self-reliant mature adults who aren't afraid to work for the betterment of their own future. Why should any such noble message be sullied by offering instead more expansive, more expensive welfare plans to whores that sell their votes for money stolen from other people?

If blacks, or any other citizen, do not want to live lives suitable for mature independent adults, then they should continue to vote for the racist DemocRATS who've created the welfare state specifically to keep them in perpetual dependency in order to capture their votes.

Liberty, it's something only men can reach for.

Welfare, it's done for the children...no matter how large.

 

i can guarantee you i'm much more well-read than you'll ever be

you're just showing that you're the one that's illiterate

this is from page 68:

your examples aren't a single vote in one of our federal government's elections

a single gun can kill many people, a single vote in federal election never harmed anyone

your lying questions are amusing

what a joke, no wonder you guys lost so miserably

 

do any of the voter registration rules state that only minorities will be required to have a valid ID?

If not, it isn't a biased law

 

again, ignorance of history is no excuse

poll taxes and literacy tests applied to all

 

relevance?

 

Everything is racist to the leftists because thats all they have. They rely on creating victim groups.

How long before they demand a change of name for the White House? That big white house standing over the poor little oppressed houses.

 

they weren't biased, but they were outlawed

oh look, another looney comment that ignores the assertions made in this thread

 

Two things are quite clear. Most voter fraud is done by Democrats and it's mostly Democrats that are against voter ID. Instead of it being hard for people to get an ID to vote, it makes every day life extremely harder on those without one. Those are facts.

 

from page 66

three days and still no answer

and now it's gone from 90% to most

show me your source for that


Voter Fraud: A Massive, Anti-Democratic Deception

The creation and propagation of the voter fraud myth, which has gained huge currency in the GOP over the past decade, has been championed by Hans von Spakovsky, a lawyer who is also a fellow at the conservative Heritage Foundation. He was recently profiled by Jane Mayer in a New Yorker piece. His work has spawned numerous new rules in states like Florida and Ohio that not only promote strict voter ID laws, but end up restricting voting in minority-dominated areas. Many of these restrictions are likely violations of the Voting Rights Act, a landmark law that Lyndon Johnson signed in 1965 to end the Jim Crow era, well, until democracy foes like Spakovsky came on the scene.

If anything, voting should be as simple as going to an ATM. You can do it any time and at virtually any place. You should be do it through the mail, email or by texting. If you can buy a product from amazon.com with one click, you certainly should be able to vote with 21st-century ease.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/johnwasik/2012/11/06/voter-fraud-a-massive-anti-democratic-deception/

 

I just posted a link showing that the vast majority of people are for voter ID laws including two-thirds of non-whites who are supposed to be the ones that evil whitey are suppressing. Here are some more.....

http://www.people-press.org/2012/10/11/broad-support-for-photo-id-voting-requirements/

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/pub...2011/75_support_showing_photo_id_at_the_polls

Even in my state which went big time for Obama this time around

http://fox6now.com/2012/01/26/poll-most-people-support-wis-voter-id-law/

Now lets see you have an issue that is extremely popular, including majority support from minorities and it has been ruled perfectly legal by SCOTUS. Gee, I wonder what would a political organization do with an issue like that?

You picked the most blatantly biased and unreliable part of the study based on the questionare where the scoring is clearly from a leftist perspective. You completely ignore the more relevant part of the study that deals with people's subconscious reactions to other races which is arguabley a more true test.

Lets look at more of the questions and how I (apparently a huge racist) would have answered them.

1 “How much discrimination against Blacks do you feel there is in the United States today, limiting their chances to get ahead?”

I would have said little or none because I know successful black people at my school and most of them came from Milwaukee which is the most segregated city in the entire country. That is like asking if some white hillbilly from Appalachia is capable of becoming successful. Of course they are if they have the smarts and the motivation.

2 “Over the past few years, Blacks have gotten less than they deserve.”

Apparently I am racist on this one because I don't think they "deserve" anything. As a Libertarian it is my belief that no one is entitled to anything outside of your liberties. If you want something then you work for it. And of course the question I posed earlier about affirmative action.

3 “Irish, Italians, Jewish, and other minorities overcame prejudice and worked their way up. Blacks should do the same without special favors.”

Yes, I am apparently a blatant racist on this issue because affirmative action goes entirely against NAP and hurts one group of people to effect another.

http://public.econ.duke.edu/~psarcidi/prop209.pdf

http://escholarship.org/uc/item/35n755gf#page-10

Asian students literally take over the top tier schools in CA to the point where they are 50% of the student population even though they are only 14% of the overall population. Most asian families especially from certain countries like China or Korea are very tight and demand success from their kids, even more so than white families. Just like Jewish families who also have an extremely high rate of college graduation they push their kids to succeed.

Once again I will ask you does opposing affirmative action make you a racist?

You came out and flatly said that Republicans were doing this for purely racist reasons. That is a HUGE charge to make at someone and you failed to do it. I just showed you that most people including 66% of Democrats and two thirds of non-whites support voter ID. I showed you a political issue with broad popular support and you wonder why the Republicans ran with it? Are you that naive? But no, you decided to the Florida Republicans were doing it out of racist sentiment with an unnamed source "who just knows" Not who got a memo, or someone told him at a meeting..........he "just knows".

Could the Republicans just be running with a very popular issue in order to garner votes, just like the Democrats did with gun control after Sandy Hook, is that a more logical and reasonable reason for Reps supporting voter ID laws like the vast majority of the rest of the country? No according to you and Chris Mathews the people who support voter ID are just a bunch of redneck racists.

You did imply that it was national because you said Republican state legislatures......the plural. The Feds don't have anything to do with states voting policies. The only time they can intervene is if there are people being denied the right to vote. Since blacks voted at higher rates than whites last election even after this supposed massive conspiracy to stop them I would love to see you try and argue that point of view.

 

Of course democrats are against vote ID. They know they would lose a huge number of votes!!!!!!

 

votes from american citizens that are legally eligible to vote