Voter suppression

Republicans are not voter suppressionists

 

Then we are in agreement. Photo ID's should be provided to the citizens if voter ID laws are to be enacted to "reduce fraud." Otherwise, they are simply voter suppression.

 

Not for lack of effort.

 

This is hardly news. The lies and excuses the repubs give to justify voter suppression are also hardly news.

 

They have to create these cheat schemes. Their rich donors demand it.

 

Yeah, just like Obama's rallies oppress Obama's political supporters by requiring IDs.

 

Even if this were true, which I doubt, it would still be BS. There is a difference (you may have noticed it) between a political RALLY and VOTING in an ELECTION.

The difference may not be obvious to repubs since, through their voter suppression efforts, they are attempting to maintain their feeble and feeble-minded grasp on power by restricting the vote as much as possible to THEIR supporters (even those born in Canada) and preventing decent American citizens from voting.

Nice try, though. Completely irrelevant, but I give you credit for making the effort to change the subject and distract people from the real issue.

 

fils' inability to notice own hypocrisy: noted.

 

fils' inability to notice own hypocrisy: noted.

Too busy noticing yours, old boy. For example, the total lack of anything like evidence or research. For example, trying to pass off a political RALLY as the equivalent to the right to vote.

By the way, I see you're STILL trying to change the subject.

 

This was already debunked in the last election. In fact if anything the voter ID issue helped Democrats as they had record numbers of blacks voting in the 2012 election including states with voter ID laws.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.co...oted-whites-in-2012-the-first-time-on-record/

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...voting-rates-blacks-whites-hispanics/2144571/

WASHINGTON — President Obama won a second term thanks to record high turnout among black voters and the first-ever decline in the number of white voters, a U.S. Census report released Wednesday shows.

For the first time, African Americans were more likely to vote than non-Hispanic whites were: 66.2% of eligible blacks voted, compared with 64.1% of whites. Since the Census Bureau began publishing voting data by race in 1968, whites had voted at higher levels than black.

"That's a landmark in American history," says William Frey, a demographer at the Brookings Institution. "And it's pretty clear that black turnout made a huge difference." His analysis of voting data shows that Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney would have won or tied Obama in the popular vote if groups had turned out at the same rates they did in 2004.

People that keep spreading lies about voter suppression are morons incapable if basic google searches and are willfully obtuse about what happened the last election. All the predictions about black people (and its always just black people as apparently Asians were smart enough to get photo IDs) not being able to vote was proven to be complete lies and more idiocy from the moron brigade.

 

It's all the republicans have now; voter suppression. They have to go down this road because they have no candidate. Their ideology now is so extreme they have to make up the difference with schemes of suppression.

 

I generally tend to agree with this, as requiring an id to vote at the polls is rather obviously an attempt to intimidate people who have ALREADY given an ID when they REGISTERED TO VOTE and that ID has been checked by the Board of Elections against other records, in fact it is periodically checked against other records. (And that's why you get voter's registration card every few years) That's why they require you to register well in advance (or to have voted at some time in., the last few elections). However, it would be nice if the OP would say just what specific thing the Republicans have done now that he/she is objecting to.

 

So why are Democrats such losers that they can't get an ID? It's not difficult or expensive. Calling an ID requirement "voter suppression" is basically an admission that Democrats are worthless individuals who can't get their (*)(*)(*)(*) together.

 

Strawman.

This doesn't prove for a second that voter suppression didn't exist. It just failed. Obama was going to win no matter what. He would have won even more handily.

It is so easy to brainwash conservatives, LOL.

[video=youtube;o32tF-S6K60]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o32tF-S6K60[/video]

 

IT is difficult and expensive to some.

Most of these IDs require documents like birth certificates and marriage licenses if a woman's current name is different from her name on her birth certificate.

These documents aren't easily obtained and citing identity theft citizens have to obtain them in person and for some elderly people who don't drive or people who depend on public transportation it's expensive and time consuming.

But I wouldn't except some selfish self-involved people to understand.

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And after Romney lost Republicans in Republican dominated states thought about apportioning electoral votes by Congressional districts---the ones they had gerrymandered to give Republicans an advantage.

 

Voter turn out went UP not down in states enacting voter ID laws.

 

I love how you liberals accuse the GOP of voter suppression merely because they want to prevent fraud by having all voters present a government-issued ID (which would be free of cost), yet you fail to see the utter hypocrisy when Democrats want the federal government to overstep its bounds and make all citizens register their firearms and submit to a federal background check, which would have to be paid by the person wanting to buy/keep their gun. This, of course, would affect mainly poor people, since this unnecessary tax would be more of a burden for them. Hence, you see no problem actually suppressing poor people from taking part in the 2nd Amendment, but you go into a tantrum when anyone even hints of voter ID, which wouldn't be a burden to anyone because it's free.

 

I'm not sure what the ID laws have to do with increased turn out, but it does show that the laws do not suppress the vote, in particular the minority vote (look at that African-American voter surge)


Just because there is no wide spread accounts of voter fraud does not mean sensible laws that show who you are in order to vote is an attempt to suppress your vote. It is in fact a protection to ensure every vote counts and every vote only counts once. Voter fraud can not be proven, if we can not even prove who voted.
The argument that because voting is a constitutional right means you should be able to exercise it without proving you are covered under the United States Constitution to exercise that right(citizenship) is poop. What about owning a firearm? the left does not seem to have any issues with showing ID for that. It is a right covered under the constitution and it does not require citizenship to do.

 

Lets do a little thought experiment here. We don't need exact numbers just a ballpark guess will do.
How many people have been found trying to buy guns that are not allowed to buy guns? Even before the ID requirement?
How many people have been found driving cars, that are not allowed to drive cars?
How many people have cashed checks under an assumed name?
How many people have been found to have impersonated another voter in Pennsylvania since 1681?
Is a voter who doesn't have an ID more likely to be Republican or a Democrat?

If you answered "A whole lot" to the first three, and zero to the fourth, and Democrat to the fifth, you are on the right trail....

Given these facts, and they are facts, what do you think the reason is for Voter ID laws?

A) to reduce something that doesn't happen now (i.e. Voter Impersonation)
B) to reduce something that happens now (i.e. minority voting)

 

Where did he ever mention voter suppression? He was talking about preventing voter fraud pure and simple.

You asserted that voter ID laws were meant to suppress votes and you have been proven to be a liar many times now. Votes went up not down and in the black community which people like you think are to stupid to get an ID also went up. YOU ARE A LIAR. Prove any voter suppression.

 

Doesn't matter to me one bit.

You need an ID for everything, you can get an ID to vote.

Please, god, stop using the race card. It is pathetic.

 

This really is one of the Left's weaker attacks against the Republicans. Surely you can do better.

 

It's "odd"....

the GOP claims their "Voter ID laws" are to make sure illegal immigrants don't vote....

but they target them in areas where BLACKS vote. Are there a lot of illegal immigrants who are black?!?!?!?

 

OF course it doesn't matter to you, equality, liberty, government of the people, by the people, for the people are not Republican values.

Stop supporting racist legislation and people will stop calling you out on it, it's easy....

 

Those are not Democratic values either, don't kid yourself.

How is it racist? Are only minorities required to get an ID? Are white people excepted?

No.

The race card is pathetic.