Want Fewer Murders? Tax Guns and Ammo

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  1. QLB

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    Actually I did not and you did not either.
     
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    I think the states with the most gun deaths all went to trump. That is a lot of dead republicans
     
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    Sure I did. Did you miss it? Lol
     
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    Small Town Guy Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    yes you did
     
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    Yep I did. Lol
     
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    Small Town Guy Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    OK it's settled then! You screwed up :roflol: I agree
     
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    Yep you are wrong again. Settled! Lol
     
  8. QLB

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    As did the those with zip codes dominated by Democrats.
     
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    Vegas giants Banned

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    So many gun deaths in GOP states....so so many.
     
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    Small Town Guy Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yup LOL, you guys have got to stop embarrassing him...he needs his safe zone, eh?
     
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    Like Maryland? Got it.
     
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    Small Town Guy Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Nope LOL, it is easy to proved you wrong with your standards....easy peasy LOL
     
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    Maryland is not even close to the top. Not enough republicans. Lol
     
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    The Huffington Post is a propaganda outlet; not a source of fact.

    Here's some fact:

    http://www.theacru.org/harvard_study_gun_control_is_counterproductive/

    Also, here are some key findings from the CDC report, “Priorities for Research to Reduce the Threat of Firearm-Related Violence

    1. Armed citizens are less likely to be injured by an attacker:
    “Studies that directly assessed the effect of actual defensive uses of guns (i.e., incidents in which a gun was ‘used’ by the crime victim in the sense of attacking or threatening an offender) have found consistently lower injury rates among gun-using crime victims compared with victims who used other self-protective strategies.”

    2. Defensive uses of guns are common:
    “Almost all national survey estimates indicate that defensive gun uses by victims are at least as common as offensive uses by criminals, with estimates of annual uses ranging from about 500,000 to more than 3 million per year…in the context of about 300,000 violent crimes involving firearms in 2008.”

    3. Mass shootings and accidental firearm deaths account for a small fraction of gun-related deaths, and both are declining:
    “The number of public mass shootings of the type that occurred at Sandy Hook Elementary School accounted for a very small fraction of all firearm-related deaths. Since 1983 there have been 78 events in which 4 or more individuals were killed by a single perpetrator in 1 day in the United States, resulting in 547 victims and 476 injured persons.” The report also notes, “Unintentional firearm-related deaths have steadily declined during the past century. The number of unintentional deaths due to firearm-related incidents accounted for less than 1 percent of all unintentional fatalities in 2010.”

    4. “Interventions” (i.e, gun control) such as background checks, so-called assault rifle bans and gun-free zones produce “mixed” results:
    “Whether gun restrictions reduce firearm-related violence is an unresolved issue.” The report could not conclude whether “passage of right-to-carry laws decrease or increase violence crime.”

    5. Gun buyback/turn-in programs are “ineffective” in reducing crime:
    “There is empirical evidence that gun turn in programs are ineffective, as noted in the 2005 NRC study Firearms and Violence: A Critical Review. For example, in 2009, an estimated 310 million guns were available to civilians in the United States (Krouse, 2012), but gun buy-back programs typically recover less than 1,000 guns (NRC, 2005). On the local level, buy-backs may increase awareness of firearm violence. However, in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, for example, guns recovered in the buy-back were not the same guns as those most often used in homicides and suicides (Kuhn et al., 2002).”

    6. Stolen guns and retail/gun show purchases account for very little crime:
    “More recent prisoner surveys suggest that stolen guns account for only a small percentage of guns used by convicted criminals. … According to a 1997 survey of inmates, approximately 70 percent of the guns used or possess by criminals at the time of their arrest came from family or friends, drug dealers, street purchases, or the underground market.”

    7. The vast majority of gun-related deaths are not homicides, but suicides:
    “Between the years 2000-2010 firearm-related suicides significantly outnumbered homicides for all age groups, annually accounting for 61 percent of the more than 335,600 people who died from firearms related violence in the United States.”

    Why No One Has Heard This
    Given the CDC’s prior track record on guns, you may be surprised by the extent with which the new research refutes some of the anti-gun movement’s deepest convictions.

    What are opponents of the Second Amendment doing about the new data? Perhaps predictably, they’re ignoring it. President Obama, Michael Bloomberg and the Brady Campaign remain silent. Most suspicious of all, the various media outlets that so eagerly anticipated the CDC research are looking the other way as well. One must wonder how media coverage of the CDC report may have differed, had the research more closely fit an anti-gun narrative.

    Even worse, the few mainstream journalists who did report the CDC’s findings chose to cherry-pick from the data. Most, like NBC News, reported exclusively on the finding that gun suicides are up. Largely lost in that discussion is the fact that the overall rate of suicide—regardless of whether a gun is involved or not—is also up.

    Others seized upon the CDC’s finding that, “The U.S. rate of firearm-related homicide is higher than that of any other industrialized country: 19.5 times higher than the rates in other high-income countries.” However, as noted by the Las Vegas Guardian Express, if figures are excluded from such anti-gun bastions as Illinois, California, New Jersey and Washington, D.C., “The homicide rate in the United States would be in line with any other country.”

    The CDC report is overall a blow to the Obama Administration’s unconstitutional agenda. It largely supports the Second Amendment, and contradicts common anti-gun arguments. Unfortunately, mainstream media failed to get the story they were hoping for, and their silence on the matter is a screaming illustration of their underlying agenda.

    Read more: http://www.gunsandammo.com/politics/cdc-gun-research-backfires-on-obama/#ixzz4dnKYWQ9J

    And in case you missed it: "if figures are excluded from such anti-gun bastions as Illinois, California, New Jersey and Washington, D.C., the homicide rate in the United States would be in line with any other country.”
     
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    counter post...
    Good counter post...I'll keep responding the way the BM guys do....you keep smothering him with facts.
     
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    If I give you the same info from a different source will it matter? I can
     
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    But we have Baltimore.
     
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    Empty propaganda is empty propaganda, and what you've got is nothing but. I note you make no effort to refute the facts above.
     
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    You are terrified of the facts. Lol
     
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    Yup!!! Lol
     
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    This is what happens when you respond to people who do not plan to carry on an honest discussion.
     
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    Let us know when you have some facts to discuss
     
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    Here is a fact;
    Gun Control accomplishes nothing good.
     
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