West Virginia Becomes 26th Right to Work State

Don't get snotty with me again or i'll place you on my ignore list. This is your only warning.

Leave it in until you hit retirement age.

Never fire anyone; keep him and invest conservatively.

 

That's what I find reprehensible. The idea that you think you have the right to deny other people the right to negotiate the terms by which they sell their own labor as if you have some claim over their life. Your position is decidedly anti-worker. It really highlights the fact that being pro-union does not necessarily mean being pro-worker.

I wonder, where do you derive this feeling of entitlement to parts of other people's lives? Why do you and your group of friends feel that it is right for you to collude with management to deny individual workers the right to negotiate, without their consent?

 

If you can't compete and do not want to respond to what I ask then put me on your ignore list, now focus like a laser, I was asking about YOUR investment decisions.


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So tell me something, you get a letter tomorrow from a company in which a good chunk of your retirement money is invested telling you that they lost money last quarter in fact because of higher labor cost will lose money from now on but because they care so much about their employees above all else they will not move the plant out of the country or cut wages or lay anyone off but PLEASE keep your money invest and be proud you are losing it so that the employees don't have to suffer.

How long would you leave your money invested?

That could be 30 years and the money long gone by then as it has been losing value every year. This is your example of a good retirement strategy? Can you give me some examples of companies like this in which you invest or have been successful at operating at a loss so that they can pay their employees more than they are worth.

How is investing in companies that pay their employees more than the jobs are worth and operate at a loss doing so "conservative"?

While you might engage in such a plan that would leave you with no retirement savings, or very little at best, do you really believe investors would remain invested in such a company, can you give me some examples of these companies?

 

You are certainly entitled to your viewpoint, I just don't agree with it. Furthermore, I find your viewpoint to be anti-worker in principal. It's ok to reject unionization by a vote of 51% to reject the union, even if the other 49% want it. That's why I think your viewpoint is flawed. It would appear to me that you do not believe in the democratic process, which in and of itself, is un-American in nature.

 

Thank you for making it easy for me!

 

yep, without either the corruption of the other can grow out of control, unions are need to keep corps in check

 

Dodge noted. If you can't run with the big dogs................so be it.

 

Wait, what? Now you're just putting words into my mouth. I stated very clearly from the onset that I support the right to free association. Never once did I say that the 49% should be prohibited from joining a union if 51% voted against it. If just two people out of a million wanted to join a union then I support their right to do so. My objection (which I've made crystal clear from jump street) is when those who joined a union start colluding with management to deny non-union members the right to negotiate the terms by which they will sell their labor (aka a portion of their lives).

Sorry, but you only get to argue against my actual position. You don't get to create one for me and then argue against it.

Furthermore, put away your phony flag waving and BS rhetoric about the "democratic process." Just because some people voted on it doesn't make trampling the rights of others acceptable. That crap about "un-American" is just simple-minded banter commonly used when people run out of intellectual steam.

 

Both you and I will just have to agree to disagree on this thread then.

 

No we don't. You attributed a position to me that was directly counter to my actual stated position. We don't agree to disagree. You made a false statement and I called you on it. You can let it lie there if you want, but don't mischaracterize your falsehood as a simple difference of opinions.