What armed self defense really looks like.

This August 25, Tony Malchak (in the green) was dropping off his daughter at his ex-wife’s house when he became involved in an argument with his ex-wife’s boyfriend, Gary Schussler, who was allegedly drunk.

Without warning, Malchak punched Schussler in the face, prompting Schussler to respond by drawing a gun from his waistband. Malchak then ran to take cover behind a parked vehicle, all while his current wife filmed the confrontation on her iPhone.

An incensed Schussler charged Malchak’s wife and attempted to kick the iPhone out of her hand, but dropped the gun in the process. Malchak seized the opportunity and tried to retrieve the gun, but accidentally shot his wife in the back, collapsing her lung. She was airlifted to a hospital where she survived.

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Yup, the attacker ended up with the gun. Predictably, he was just as incompetant as the gun owner and only managed to shoot his own wife...

MURICA!!

 

To bad all three couldnt have caught one in the temple. Drunk stupid people make bad things happen.

 

what it usually looks like-


When a would-be robber armed with a knife entered a Shell station early Monday morning and demanded money, the last thing he expected was that the clerk would pull out a handgun. The suspect swiftly changed his mind about wanting to rob the store and immediately left. No shots were fired, no cash was taken and nobody was injured, but hours later the clerk was notified that his position had been terminated because he had violated the company’s “no weapons” policy, The Telegraph reports. -

 

LOL good post, it can also look like this

Or maybe this,

I agree, it is exactly what it usually looks like. Thanks for your post.

 

1976, Home from college for the week-end, some friends and I decided to have a lake party. We were camped out on a small peninsula, accessible via a very narrow isthmus. Unbeknownst to me a verbal altercation had occurred on the lake with another party group before my arrival. Our party broke up and only 4 of us remained, Me, my date, my sister, and her husband. We were all in our two vehicles when a pick-up rushed up and blocked our exit. A dozen or so thugs bailed out of the truck and ran to our vehicles. The door to my own pick-up was jerked open. Unfortunately for the young assailant I was prepared. The first thing he encountered was the barrel of my .38 revolver slamming into his face. He fell back onto the ground. I followed and kept the gun aimed squarely and just inches from his face as he crawled backward screaming "pistola, pistola" As his homies became aware of the gun, they scattered, running for cover or for the protection of their truck. That is, all but two, one who was quite busy getting his face beat in by my brother in law and another who was apparently too pre-occupied with beating my sister with a club. He stood in the open door of her truck wailing on her. I ran and slammed against the door with the full weight of my body, smashing him between the door and the sill. He crumpled to the ground. His friends abandoned him. After the melee was over and they fled, I went to the truck and loaded the gun, just in case they came back. I'm not going to say what my brother in law and I did to that poor sob they left behind. .

 

New years eve, 1973. My 16 year old sister heard intruders in the house. She snuck into dad's study and loaded his 12 gauge pump. At the top of the steps, she peeked around the corner to see two burglars busily perusing the den for valuables. As one of them reached above the fireplace to remove the clock from the mantle, she stepped out, leveled the weapon and fired, instantly turning the burglars hand into hamburger, and blowing the clock to smithereens. The other burglar bolted but ran face on into the sliding glass patio door. Big sister held them at gunpoint until the sheriff arrived. It was a damn shame too....that was a nice clock.

 

It's a shame we can all be as well protected with trained private security guards and police like Obama and wealthy Hollywood and NY celebrities. Such people can get high on alcohol or drugs and not risk shooting others.

All you'd need is money or political power.

 

Guns and alcohol, always a good combo.

I woudl tend to think that smart phone would have been put to better use dialing 911.

Now I have a Glock 23 that is generally out of the safe in the evening while I sleep, within easy reach. However, more importantly, I have a phone on my nightstand. I have no problem with folks owning firearms, and using them if warranted. However, this is what happens when folks use the gun first, and the phone second.

 

Hey, I can cherry-pick too: John Wayne Gacy was a liberal, so that must mean most liberals are serial killers.

 

Excellent post
With a LINK proving what you say

 

Stories that paint gun owners in a bad light prove nothing.

Stories that paint gun owners in a good light prove nothing.

Both sides post these types of stories as if they have scored some sort of point but all it does it make them look foolish. If you have to rely on cherry-picked anecdotal stories to make your case, you don't have much of a case.

 

That's how I roll.

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Of course, statistics and studies make a more reasonable case... but they're so impersonal as to be easily dismissed by fundamentalists, as has been proven numerous times.

 

Protected from what?
What makes you as much of a target as the folks you're comparing youself to?

 

Oh yeah, let's not forget about this stellar example of another situation that would become more common if everyone was carrying:
http://www.wzzm13.com/video/default.aspx?bctid=2682277503001
Yup, two "responsible citizens" shooting each other to death...

 

Let's also not forget that the myth of armed citizens responding to a mass shooting only makes the shooting worse, as it becomes more difficult for wannabe heroes (much less the police) to tell who the original shooter was.

Example:
http://youtu.be/_zhWgh5bVi8

 

So one incident was such a rarity that the person has received national attention and is being given an award... Not exactly "usual" then, is it?

As for the "equalizer" rhetoric... This is not exactly in favor of guns, since it also means that 13 year old gangbangers are equalized enough to perform armed hold ups.

 

I constantly hear people talk about firearms for "self defense". I'm pointing out that - in order for a firearm to be effective in this capacity - some level of training wouldn't go astray. Of course, mandated training would be a form of "gun control", and therefore immediately rejected by most fundamentalists.

Is this not an appropriate forum to discuss exactly these issues?

 

Perhaps I am getting cynical, but for fairly obvious reasons...
Every thread in which mandatory training in order to purchase a firearm is raised results in a stream of spite from folks whose sole function in life seems to be regurgitating slogans and the last half of a single constitutional amendment.
Who these folks are an embarrassment to is immaterial to the fact that they seem to believe that individual instances of self-defense justify the status quo that puts guns into the hands of those who are a risk to the general populace (criminal hands or otherwise).
So, illustrating that gun ownership is not a magic wand (or "silver bullet", if you prefer a pun) that instantly guarantees perfect self-defense in every occasion - seems to be more aligned to the primative thought patterns of those folks you deem to be "an embarrassment to all, probably including their mothers."

Is that clear enough, or do I need to justify my use of a public forum to you more explicitly?

 

The last part of an amendment?

Alright, so you are all for the "Well regulated militia"?

Cool, should grenades be issued with the civilians M-16's, or not?

 

Implying an individual case represents the idea as a whole is flat out stupid. If every self defense case really ended up like this then gun owners wouldn't care to own a gun for self defense. That's like saying if you run away and call the police instead that is guaranteed to save your life. Neither option guarantees anything. It comes down to your abilities, details of the situation, and some luck that determines the outcome. Not every person with a gun will be able to save themselves but where there isn't any alternative that has guaranteed positive results there is no perfect solution to the self defense question. There are just personal opinions.

 

Who is more at risk? A movie star shopping in Beverly Hills, or a poor elderly woman living in a gang and addict-infested neighborhood in Chicago or NYC where there have been multiple murders, home invasions and car jackings?

I have a Concealed Carry Permit, but I keep a gun in the trunk most of the time. I will only carry a gun on my person when I am going to be in the nearby liberal-democrat occupied urban wasteland or going on a long driving trip. I am not a leftwing elitist that believes that since I don't need a gun, you don't need a gun.

Besides, I am a Constitutional originalist, or purist. The 2nd should never have been infringed upon any more than it was in 1792.

 

Which of those groups do you fit into?
Do you live in a "gang and addict-infested neighborhood"?
Has your neighborhood experienced "multiple murders, home invasions and car jackings"?
Do you have crazed stalkers, as many celebrities do?
Are you publicly known for being wealthy, so that every criminal who sees you instantly knows you'd be a profitable target?

My question, that you are obviously trying to avoid, was "What makes you as much of a target as the folks you're comparing youself to?"

I'm sure that, as a "Constitutional originalist", you were just as vocal about violations of American citizens’ constitutional rights when they were locked up indefinitely without charge (eg: John Walker Lindh, Jose Padilla, etc) in violation of their sixth Amendment rights, or support the Tealiban position of going into default in violation of the fourteenth Amendment, or support DOMA in violation of the first Amendment, or support the GOP’s voter suppression tactics in violation of the fifteenth Amendment... Right?

 

The only thing the OP proves is that sh!t happens. There are, of course, OTHER stories...

1) On February 12, 2007, a lone gunman, Sulejman Talovic, opened fire at the crowded Trolley Square shopping mall, killing five bystanders. Armed with a shotgun with a pistol grip, a 38-caliber handgun with rubber grips, and a backpack full of ammunition, he set forth on his rampage through the mall.

But he did not get as far as he had hoped. He was stopped by off-duty police officer Kenneth Hammond of the Ogden City Police Department, who was at Trolley Square having an early Valentine’s Day dinner with his pregnant wife. When they heard shots, she called 911 and he drew his weapon and confronted Talovic. He was joined by Sgt. Andrew Oblad of the Salt Lake City Police Department. They pinned down Talovic, stopping further deaths, until a SWAT team from the Salt Lake City Police Department killed him.


2) James Gerow, the homeowner, told the station that he awoke and discovered a man wearing a dark hoodie inside his Springtown, Texas home. Springtown is a small city Northwest of Fort Worth. Gerow grabbed his gun and followed the man out to a truck in his driveway. With gun in hand, Gerow convinced the man to drop his keys. He told his wife to call 911 and waited for deputies to arrive.


3) On January 19th, an elderly homeowner in MO was forced to defend himself when a 30 year old suspect broke into his home and assaulted him. The homeowner fired a shot at the intruder, striking him in the arm. The suspect then fled the scene, but was captured by police after a brief manhunt. The homeowner was taken to the hospital for treatment of the injuries he sustained in the assault. The homeowner had to be airlifted to a second hospital for head injuries. The suspect is charged with 1st degree assault and 1st degree burglary.

http://townhall.com/columnists/john...that-prove-guns-save-lives-n1503549/page/full