What has Feminism taken away from you?

It probably does sometimes.

 

My mom has always considered herself a feminist, and so do I.

The things you speak of are a sick perversion of what feminism is about-equal rights, equal treatment-and i am glad to hear you escaped its clutches, sorry to hear of the harm that came from it.

Mom, and the whole culture I come from put enormous importance on a person's duty to family.
No transient fad-ideology is going to sway me from that value.

 

What you encountered is very unfortunate.

You might as easily, maybe more easily have encountered a conversion to some Chjristian cult that would have been equally destructive.

Would you then feel it fair to speak of Christianity as you do of "feminism"?

I wont stop calling myself a feminist for the bad actions of others who choose to wave the banner, no more than a person should cease to call themselves Christian when they read of Jim Jones or the Branch Davidians.

 

It certainly does....though looking good and being good are far more effective,

 

Some interesting responses. I'm finding it interesting that some are lumping all kinds of 'traits' onto feminists.

People are as good and as decent as their own personal character - whether they be feminists or anti-feminists or bankers or priests.

This lumping together and stereotyping of people I find a worry.

Feminism is broad and covers so much different ground. It was feminists who started the first refuges for battered women when there was no infrastructure and nowhere for a battered woman to go. That one is an important one to me.

I'm a feminist and I check myself in terms of how I live and how I treat others and how I can be of help to others that may need help.

I've probably been the longest member in this particular section of Women's Rights. And one of the few regular women posters in this section over time.

I've heard much 'filth' directed at feminists in this section over the years.

I think I've maintained reasonable restraint and decorum... given some particularly vile things I've heard here over time.

The world has changed. Some don't like that. I do. I believe women have come a long way... and we're still moving!!

Feminism

 

Wait...I just asked you, "so in other words, being a white knight gets you laid" and you said "you make no sense" then you admit, [being a white knight], "certainly does" [get you laid]

Your posts are disingenuous at best.

 

I suppose if we ignore all context and lose several levels of intelligent thought you would have some kind of point....however.

I stated this:

You replied with this:

Another member commented, and I replied to her.

Your initial commentary did indeed make no sense as a reply to my post.

 

When have I ever shown an, "obvious disrespect for females?"

Your accusation is just another typical blatent lie, not supported by proof, by a feminist.

 

Uh, every single last post in every single thread you start to denounce something about women that you dont happen to like / that you make up?

 

Once again you make the mistake of generalizing that all women are feminists and criticizing feminists use of bogus science and other types of anti-intellectualism means you hate women. Feminists can be either women or men. In fact there are men in this very thread who are 'feminists.'

I criticize feminism not because I'm a, "mysoginist". I criticize feminism because I love women, and I want the best for them, and feminism is not in anyone's best interests, especially women. Calling someone a mysoginist because they criticize feminism is like someone calling someone a racist because they criticize slavery.

...and what have I, "made up"? My beliefs are supported by proof from scientific studies from peer reviewed scientific journals. What scientific study from a peer reviewed scientific journal have you used to support your beliefs???

 

Your mistake is in presenting that all feminists must conform to your caricature.

If i dont, others dont, then they are not true feminists. Is this not so? Its not me generalizing, its you.

Its similar to how creationists like to have it that those not like them are not True christians, and anything said against their ideas is an attack on people of faith.

Its nice that you love women, in whatever sense you mean that. However, we detect, it seems, a whiff of patronizing in the bit about "wanting what's best" (and knowing what it is or isnt)

Comparing feminism to slavery is too far fetched to work for me, as an analogy.

Im reminded of Imelda Marcos saying something about all her "little brown children", when speaking of the Filipino population, as if she were not just another girl from the provinces herself.
But she felt she knew what was best for her "children".

Do you hold forth similarly about how you want what is best for men, how you love them and know what is not in their best interests?

If you feel you have scientific proof for something, that is most remarkable. Please tell me
what science has proved. Name your field, any of the hard or soft sciences.

Your beliefs as stated here are that feminism is bad for women and that you want what is best.
You have no peer reviewed research for that.

I wonder what you think you are accomplishing with your many posts and threads? You
antagonize women with your patronizing, and draw to your camp some men who clearly have some real issues to project onto women.

If you really have the best in mind, you sure dont know how to go about expressing it.
Patronizing, telling people what they are or are not, telling them what is or isnt best for them, defining people and issues in such invidious way as suits you, none of those have the least chance of success with me. Nor with any woman who has any sense of herself.


What did you make up?
Your mistake from the very first line no less is, yes. making something up, namely that I generalize all women as feminists. Followed immediately about the thing about "hate women"! Didnt take very long, did it?

 

Tell us how to be patronizing and respectful at the same time, and how your negative stereotyping of those who dont agree with you fits in, while you are at it.

 

You said yourself you don't like men. So yes, you are indeed a feminist.

 

good, make it about me, you cant explain your own crap, so make it about me.
btw, that fits with your remarkably loose use of the term 'ad hom".

 

I respond to your post, and I acknowledge that yes indeed you are a feminist then you accuse me of 'ad hom'

???

 

The"dont like" you took out of context
As for ad hom..
Still making things up, earlier mention of which you redacted of course.
I did nothing of the sort, and your sorry excuse for a response says volumes.

 

As an egalitarean, as a humanist, I want what's best for everyone, children, women, and men, and feminism is not in anyone's best interests, but feminists, just as Nazism is not in anyone's best interests, but Nazis

 

Do you really expect me to re-post all the scientific studies and other sources I've posted when you never read or watched them in the first place???

 

Feminism makes people worse, just as Nazism made the German citizens who became Nazis worse. Feminism, just like Nazism, is not in anyone's best interests, but feminists.

From the Journal of Aggression, Conflict and Peace Research

“This drop in IPV against females and steady rate of violence against males raises an interesting policy question. There are many thousands of support programs, web sites and public-interest media items for female victims of domestic violence (DV), and virtually no programs and only a handful of web sites in the USA for male victims. Perhaps these programs and public education efforts have resulted in males, but not females, getting the message that DV is wrong.” “…those that are the core of the DV service system: DV agencies, DV hotlines, and the police. On the one hand, about 25% of men who sought help from DV hotlines were connected with resources that were helpful. On the other hand, nearly 67% of men reported that these DV agencies and hotline were not at all helpful. Many reported being turned away. The qualitative accounts in our research tell a story of male helpseekers who are often doubted, ridiculed, and given false information.”

In 41.5 percent of the cases where men called the police, the police asked if he wanted his partner arrested; in 21 percent the police refused to arrest the partner, and in 38.7 percent the police said there was nothing they could do and left

http://www.emeraldinsight.com/journa...leid=17042186&

 

I don't think the two are comparable at all. How can you be a feminist and be able to accept the support and protection of a man at the same time? Receiving support and protection means that you have to give things back to the man. By the time you complete the circuit, I don't see what reason is left to identify as a feminist.

 

I realize you're a, 'lost cause' just as most feminists are a, 'lost cause,'. It's not you I'm trying to reach. I'm trying to reach the casual observer who believes falsehoods like, 'feminism just means equality' or people, 'on the fence' or.... ec cetera.

I'm not trying to change you anymore than I would try to change someone who grew up in the Nazi youth and is now reaping the lucrative financial and social benefits of being a Nazi.

 

You've accused me of being a mysoginist multiple times for criticizing particularly the anti-intellectualism used by feminists in the form of, 'bogus science' to come to conclusions, and influence publice policy and create laws people are forced to pay taxes to enforce.

Lest you've forgotten,

Taikoo wrote:
“Why dont you just go ahead and lie on the couch, tell us what experience you had that
makes you a misogynist.[/

I know why I dont like or trust men. Have you developed any insights into your problem?”

 

How did I take, "don't like," out of context. Here's the quote it's self explanatory:

Taikoo wrote:
“Why dont you just go ahead and lie on the couch, tell us what experience you had that
makes you a misogynist.

I know why I dont like or trust men. Have you developed any insights into your problem?”

What did I redact??? I stand by every statement I've ever made 100%.

 

If we look at the abject failure of feminist initiatives in Sweden, it's abundantly clear that western women are not missing any rights that they deserve. Feminism is just a bunch of sluts trying to talk their way to receiving free stuff on someone else's dime, or trying to intellectually bully their half-men into serving as willing cuckolds. Then when they have poor life outcomes, with either no children or a small number of children who hate them, they blame men and more successful women for what they did to themselves.

 

Did you notice that this "answer" is,like your previous ones, 100% non responsive? I did.