What immigrant crime wave?

Since 2015, Trump has vilified brown skinned immigrants, calling them murderers, rapists, and worse. At CPAC, and today at the border, he was at it again, pontificating about all of the crimes being committed by immigrants. Vermin, he calls them.

Here's the bee ess flag:

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-w...t-checking-trumps-speech-crime-and-immigrants

 

Oh yeah, we've never had an illegal immigrant commit a crime in the USA. They make us more safe -- LOL
Anyone who commits a crime is vermin to me.

 

Let’s not link to Trumps speech, let’s just link to an opinion piece about Trumps speech and call that news. Good job OP. Classic regurgitation of BS

 

I'm sure you can reference the speech in which he referred to "brown skinned immigrants."

 

I see you making their brown skin an issue. His issue was their illegal status and that letting people pour in allows criminals and terrorists have access to our citizens. Illegal immigration does allow gangs to strengthen their numbers and their grip on poor neighborhoods. I grew up in one of those neighborhoods and know what it is like to fear for my life. I was robbed at gunpoint twice, knifepoint once, and had to cut through backyards on my way home from school so they wouldn't know where I lived. A little kid tried to start a fight with me and his big brother, threatened to kill my family.

This was 35 years ago. Things have gotten much worse. As awful as trump may be, he is right on this issue.

 

We need to monitor the people who come into this country. Biden’s open border with catch and release does not do that. We don’t need terrorists, MS-13 gang members or the new Venezuelan gang members, who have aligned with MS-13, in this country. We also don’t need trigger happy 15 year olds who shoot up Times Square.

 

You can find stats to say the crime rate is getting lower. You can find stats that show that American citizens commit more murders and rapes than illegal immigrants.

But to my mind, it doesn't matter. Some illegal immigrants commit murder and rape in America, as well as other crimes. That is not debatable. And so, if you believe in sanctuary cities and sanctuary states, if you want to keep lax asylum laws and procedures, if you're against physical barriers at the border, if you're against the idea of immigrants staying in Mexico or their home countries until their case is reviewed and they are given permission to enter our country, if you think simply giving illegal immigrants a court date for years in the future and releasing them into America is the right thing to do, if you think there is a moral high ground by allowing all of this, then ...

Then you may not even realize it, but the reality is this: You are saying that whatever the number of victims they create is ... is worth it.

Your first impulse when you read that is to deny it. But the harsh reality is that this is the choice you make. And so it begs the question: How many victims are worth it?

 

Looking at it objectively, dark skinned people commit more violent crime proportionately than whites. People don't like to talk about that but it's just data. So, Trump wasn't wrong just because you don't like to hear it. Now, it's hard to separate illegals, asylum seeking, and citizen Hispanics because the groups that don't want to hear about what's wrong will not allow that data to be collected.

 

I can't make you read the link, but ...

"New York City, for example, has absorbed more than 150,000 migrants since the spring of 2022. Violent crime did not increase during that time. Moreover, research conducted before the pandemic suggests that undocumented immigrants are not a major source of crime, contrary to Trump’s claim."

Here's a deeper dive:

https://siepr.stanford.edu/news/mythical-tie-between-immigration-and-crime

I can't make you read that, either.

 

All of the immigrants coming to the southern border are brown skinned. Even Trump is smart enough not to use those exact words. Who do you think he's referring to as vermin? Hint: it isn't white European or Scandinavian immigrants he's growling about.

 

See above.

Geebus.

 

Yes, we do, but we can't do that with the current resources. And fyi, only a tiny fraction of a percentage of the would-be immigrants at the border are criminals. Nearly all are just tired and desperate people trying to get someplace where they can settle down, work hard, and raise their children with hope for a better future, just like the rest of us.

Ask your Republican House representatives why they won't bring the border bill to the floor. It's their wish list, ffs.

Congress could solve the problems at the border if they wanted to, but their dear leader Donald Trump has told them no, not while Biden is still in office. Trump needs to be able to campaign on the issue if what he calls vermin. This is proof that what currently passes for the GOP does not give a rat's ass about the people at the border, other than to use their suffering and desperation as a cudgel against Biden and the left.

Hypocrites, every last one of them.

 

And that is not a legal reason for entering the United States.

 

You made it clear it doesn’t matter if they’re here legally. Remember?

 

It has been suggested that the reason crime did not increase, is because it is not reported.

The illegal immigrants have committed crimes. Those are crimes that would not have occurred, if they were not here to commit them. We have no idea why the illegals are entering our country. Most are OK. Some are not.

No matter how you try to spin it, illegals add to the crime problem which already exists in our larger cities. Businesses are leaving these larger cities because of the snatch and grab robberies.

 

I'm saying that they pose less of a threat than the criminals we already have.

https://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justi...or-fall-in-2023-The-answer-might-surprise-you

Last year, only 29 homicide convictions were immigrants. The year before, 62. Other violent crime rates are also lower for immigrants than for citizens.

I don't condone any crimes, certainly not those with victims. Implying so is very insulting on your part. My point is that banning or restricting immigration is not the solution to violent crime, and that Trump is using extreme rhetoric the way he has always done: telling us what to fear and who to blame for it, then claiming that he's the one to fix it all.

 

I saw and replied. As awful as trump may be, he is right on this one. Many of my brown skin friends also had problems with these gangs. Did you know that cartels profit from our border policies? This allows them to expand their enterprise of human trafficking, sex tourism, child exploitation, drugs, guns, extortion, and forced servitude.

This pain and suffering is an acceptable price for the votes. Support for these policies is not from a position of genuine concern for humanity.

 

Major bullshit, and very racist. The incarceration rates are higher for dark skinned people than for white people. Do you really think it's because they commit more violent crime? Seriously?

 

That's what the FBI, and every other statistics say. I'm sorry if you don't believe them. It's unfortunate though because the victim rates for those groups are also higher. Not racist, truth. You cannot fix a problem until you recognize that there is a problem.

 

Why does an immigrant need a legal reason? What law do you mean?

Immigrants, including your own ancestors unless you're Native American, have been coming here since our country was founded. Are you somehow under the impression that they required a legal reason? Because the histories that I've read mention no such qualification.

 

Your quick racial eye may have done a quick census and determined that all of the south of the border illegals are "brown skinned" (I question that but that's for another day), but you specified that brown skilled immigrants were specifically being vilified by Trump. So I'm just trying to find out if he actually was referring to brown skin or if you just made that up out of some bizarre racial issue of yours?

 

That's the very core of why some cities became sanctuary cities. Undocumented crime victims are too afraid to go to the police.

As for "Those are crimes that would not have occurred, if they were not here to commit them." -- are you claiming that all crimes committed by immigrants are pre-planned? Seriously?

The per capita percentage of violent crimes committed by white American citizens is much higher than for immigrants. Statistics don't lie that much, ffs.

I'm not spinning it, I'm presenting established facts that show Trump for the lying bloviator that he is.

 

Ah the reveal! Usually that takes many pages and days to get to!

 

The law says that you can only come here asking for asylum because you are in danger from the government of your country. You can't come here simply "to get a better life." That's what the cartels instruct the illegals to say when they cross the border. They all say they are in danger in their home country.

 

Oh ffs.

Show me links proving that Trump is right, there are gangs and cartels and other scary criminals pouring across our border, crime rates are going up. Show me the proof of Trump's claims that hundreds of thousands of the people coming to the border are coming from prisons and mental institutions.

And as for that, shame on you for even thinking that the abject misery these people experience is acceptable for any reason.