What options are there for High School dropouts?

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We need to concentrate on the importance of education for or citizens. A lot of people drop out of HS and it limits there options. It's always been hard for people who didn't have a college degree much less a drop out. What jobs can people look forward to without education? Reportedly even fast food places won't hire people without a diploma.

 

If they only stopped the illegal immigrants at the border and used the $3.7 billion to take care of them on education for our own citizens.

 

Ok. Realistically. What jobs can people get?

 

Right now if you want to get into an entry level IT job, you need a BA.

 

Do you know why companies are raising their standards? Why isn't a HS degree enough anymore? BTW who is the other half of your avatar?

 

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Stay in school. Or go back to school.

 

Manual labor.

My girlfriend recruits for companies and she's been trying to fill a freezer picker job at $16 per hour with voluntary OT, no degree required.

She can't fill it because nobody wants to work.

 

Why not? That's good $$. Is the not wanting to work normal for manual labor? Or undegreed people?

 

Its a (*)(*)(*)(*) job where you work in -20 degree temperatures lifting 100 pound boxes. Its hard work, and those who've dropped out of high school typically are adverse to that sort of thing.

But you're right. Working 50 hours is almost $900 before taxes. People just don't want to work.

 

While I have no idea what a freezer picker does. I would likely take it if I could get over 60 hours a week. That is if it was driving distance from home. Takes over 90 hours at that price to be worth traveling and setting up temporary living arrangements.

Regarding the OP if you get a GED and work experience no real difference from a HS diploma. Most good jobs require college and like PP points out a BA is minimum with most. With no college driving a truck would be one of the better options. I was a machinst that made springs from when I was 16. Much of that was outsourced to China and I no longer live close to a spring manufacturing company. When a bad storm hits I usually go work the clean up. I do ok without a 9-5 job but enjoy the extra money when it is available thats more of a 6am-8pm 7 days a week.

 

So if they are adverse to the only type of work that is available then that's too bad. What do they think they are going to do?

 

Labor union.
No education or real training required. The applicant will need to pass an OSHA safety course but the labor hall will walk them through it even if intellectually blindfolded.

 

It seems all jobs like that will be outsourced eventually. So what do people who only qualify for those do? Mayb go back to school.

 

Why are people dropping out of HS in the first place?

 

This is like any other employment situation. A job is a person selling their labor to someone else. Like any other sales situation, a potential employee has to convince the buyer (employer) that it is in the buyer's best interest to pay for that labor. While there are a lot of ways to do that, dropping out of high school severely limits those options. A high school dropout can only offer to do work that any of the 7 billion other people on the planet could do. With such a surplus of competition, a dropout must offer to do work that no one else wants to do, or offer to work for less compensation than others are willing to take. In the US, there is a limit to how little a person can legally take in compensation, so that avenue isn't available.

They have to either offer to do work no one else wants to do, or go without a job.

 

Are there no alternative forms of education in America? There are courses, polytechnics etc. just because high school was a (*)(*)(*)(*)(*) doesn't mean you have to go and work as a fruit picker or freezer worker.

 

It would be a good idea if you have the option. I am 40 so not really sure that would be a good idea for me, but younger and adverse to hard work that is likely the best option. Of course many college grads move back home after the find out they still can't get a good job.

I did ok I own a house that I rent out. I own my land as well so few bills. Me and my wife never both work at the same time. One always stay home with the kids, got one in college and a 5 year old.

I would not recommend others try it but it can be done. Between outsourcing and undocumented workers trades are not what they once were. There is always something that people can find everyone can't sit behind a desk. I will put my kids through college but the wrong degree is not that
valuable either. If you work hard and keep expenses down you can survive very well but you must do both IMO.

 

True, but if a person isn't motivated enough to get the easiest and cheapest degree they could possibly get - a high-school diploma - what are the chances that they will be motivated enough to get one that requires more time, cost and effort?

If they will, they can easily sell their labor for more money and have a larger pool of potential buyers, but it is very unlikely you will find someone too unmotivated to finish high school, but motivated enough to pursue outside education on their own.

 

For a man:

30 years ago? A great job, a brick home, 5 kids,a skinny wife/homemaker that wasn't raised to hate him from birth and 2 cars and plenty of free time.

Now? Jail.

For Women:

30 years ago? a great little job and a lovely and affordable good time till marriage, fulfillment and satisfaction.

Now? Single mother, getting drinks paid for by a string of different guys. A burdened mother baby sits the baby a lot.

Thanks neo-conservatives/communists. Thanks.

 

great point. and no matter how smart they are employers know this as well i'm sure.

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great point. and no matter how smart they are employers know this as well i'm sure.

 

this is probably realistic unfortunately. i do want to say the thread is to point these types of things out so people can understand the dynamics and not be disillusioned and we are not putting people down. thanks for your contribution.

 

really depends on ones skills, many high school drop outs have done very very well throughout history

but a degree will help you get a job, at least for those jobs that look for a piece of paper over skills first... like doctors, lawyers, ect.....

 

Not necessarily although I'll admit motivation is a factor. But I think that the class dynamic has a lot to do with it too. We're all different and I don't think the "one size fits all" approach to education is either applicable or beneficial in the modern world. I think governments should also work with private owned companies to encourage more apprenticeships and technical schools; hence solving the problem of a more specialised workforce and providing a skill(s) that will always stay with you.

 

and i know there are states where dropping out at 16 to work and start a family was considered normal for like 5-6 generations, but it needs to be understood that isn't accepted anymore. also by doing that older generations must understand they were a bad example to their kids and grand kids. also with a family tree of no education you made it hard for the current young folk to break that negative cycle. you didn't prepare them at all. also when the good jobs you use to qualify left, then you set yourself up for hardship. nobody screwed you, you did it to yourself. you can't make a change unless you understand this dynamic.

 

some are too smart... some are too stupid...

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what is a freezer picker? maybe the pay is too low? what are the benefits?

the harder and suckier a job is... the more it should pay...


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