What's so great about Diversity?

Your perception that others were racist does not justify racism.

Incidentally I did not see this coming. If I had I would have listed my race as "Black" back when I was in.high school. Maybe then I would have been accepted at Yale. Instead I am just a dumb carpenter. Or is that crapenter? Whatever, if I was black maybe I could have been a lawyer.

 

bullshit-Asians and Jewish white kids are doing really well. My class at Yale had far higher than 2% Jews. AA was based on the racism of lowered expectations that liberal whites suffer from and to pander to groups that the democrats see as constituents. the late great Moderate David Broder (who was Jewish,his son roomed with me my junior year) noted that the left was trying to balkanize the USA by dividing it up into warring ethnic groups.

 

There’s no reason to get so lost in the weeds. Do you think democracy is good or bad? Do you think diversity is bad? Do you think equality in human rights is achievable in a diverse society?

The people I’m talking about in America, who feel threatened about losing control and power because of loss of white dominance are obviously white Christians. They’re afraid of society changing because of immigrants and just becoming a minority. People aren’t becoming intolerant and focusing on differences because people are naturally intolerant in the face of diversity. This intolerance is triggered by a sense of fear and threat. Democracy is becoming undesirable to certain people, because they realize it will won’t give them permanent control and dominance over a society they are becoming minorities in.

 

How do you know if you are not diverse enough?

 

But you’re not going to be accepted at Yale just because you’re black. that’s ridiculous. That’s not how AA works.

secondly, it’s dishonest when people say that they want everybody admitted by academic achievement alone. If that were true, then get rid of all the other diversity programs left over from Jewish discrimination and African-American discrimination. Get rid of legacy admissions and athletic achievement admissions.

 

It seems the USA isn't even in the top 10.

Countries with the Highest Crime Rates*

The countries with the ten highest crime rates, expressed in per 100,000 people, globally are:

1. Venezuela (83.76)
2. Papua New Guinea (80.79)
3. South Africa (76.86)
4. Afghanistan (76.31)
5. Honduras (74.54)
6. Trinidad and Tobago (71.63)
7. Guyana (68.74)
8. El Salvador (67.79)
9. Brazil (67.49)
10. Jamaica (67.42)

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/crime-rate-by-country

 

White people are also doing well. What kind of argument is that? Ivy League schools have admitted to creating admission programs to discriminate against Jews. If you want people admitted based on academic achievement alone, then all those leftover admission tricks should be eliminated.

 

well here's the issue. private schools can do what they want-jocks, chess masters (my roommate one year was a International Master-chess got him in) or thespians (David Hyde Pierce and Bronson Pinchot, classmates as well) but Title VII prevents racial discrimination. and being black is not an achievement. Throwing a baseball 100 MPH (Ron Darling was a class or two behind me) or being on the Canadian Davis Cup team(one of my friends in my dorm-Martin Wostenholme was#1 tennis player in Canada) is an achievement Same with being a chess master or a US Olympic team skeet shooter (my sophomore captain, Brad Simmons)

 

yeah but whites created those schools. what are you arguing for? lowered standards for blacks? The Ivy league hasn't discriminated against Jews in decades. Asians on the other hand-probably

 

Completely wrong. Take any spread of exam results or tests scores and you will get a diverse range of results. Some will score highly on a test for any particular academic skill others less well. Same for physical skills and abilities, sports and athletics, height and IQ? Diverse results every time. So if your aim is to identify merit (be it the best maths students or fastest runner over a set distance etc merit will stand out. Your problem is assuming that it won't be applied in circumstances where you think it should be.

 

Athletic achievements are only that. If you only want the smartest people being admitted, the people with the highest grades, then there shouldn’t be preference for people who have athletic achievement. It doesn’t matter how fast they can throw a ball.

 

I’m asking for you to be consistent. If this is honestly about smart people with academic achievements not being rightfully admitted over stupid low achievement minorities, then stop arguing for programs that advance people based on something like legacy.

 

nah what I want is a class full of people who are all high achievers in various areas. a well rounded class. I was a very good student but not the best, I was a good athlete-best in the Ivy league in my sport and also the #1 in another sport on my college team. I learned lots from people who were good athletes, good students, good chess players, good actors etc. you seem hostile to those who achieve. being black is not an achievement .

 

If they bring in income to the University, who cares about academics if they are good in sports?

 

you're confused. I don't see being black, male, female, straight, gay etc to be an achievement that should merit additional consideration for admission. being a really good soccer player or a top HS Debater-now that is an achievement.

 

what value does being black, or white or Jewish or Lutheran bring to a class?

 

You think a black slave could have created them schools? Privilege. That's what's being argued.

 

So what white people created those schools. In 50 years from now white peoples probably won’t be running those schools. If you don’t care about promoting racial diversity, then I suppose there won’t be many white people going to those schools in the future and you won’t care.

 

Income.

 

Brown-Jackson runs circles around Kavanaugh and Barrett
I'm not confused at all.
You appear to be though, expecting a Democrat president to ever nominate a Conservative/Republican for a judge, no less a Supreme Court justice.
Your Federalist Society list, Scalia & Co.
So no judges from your chosen ones.

Trump put 3 white people on the court.
Trump did say when campaigning for 2016 he would put a woman on the SCOTUS.
Amy musta been his go-to disadvantaged, not quite a minority, token, but a white one at that and filled his last overturn justice slot.
Trump only cared about getting justices that would overturn Roe v Wade as he promised he would and that was the # 1 criteria.

 

ah that's the most amusing thing I have seen on this board. it also shows that you really have no concept bout this subject. you lefties have caused your own problems. You push for lowered standards for blacks at top universities and then you try to pretend that those who get there due to lowered standards are superior to those with far higher test scores or grades.

 

You’re coming across like an elitist. Your attitude is that if you go to an Ivy League school then you want to be around cool, elitist people who have done something athletically unusual or got a legacy admission because his dad is an ambassador, meanwhile a really gifted kid in the middle Wisconsin is just exceptional at calculus and science. It’s really unfortunate that you think like that. University studies shouldn’t be about a cool exclusive club for you to feel special you attended and rubbed elbows with all these elites. It honestly should be about academic achievement, and if a student isn’t capable of learning at the level expected there, then they should go to a different university.

 

Nobody ever said being black is an achievement, but it shouldn’t be a disadvantage.

You come off self-centered when labeling things as achievements and not achievements, because all of these people you’re talking about going to college with and playing sports with, I don’t really think it’s much of an achievement to be honest.

 

Gotta understand name droppers.
At least there's a goal. Even if time has passed by.

 

AA was designed to allow ENTRY of all people. Not FORCE entry of all people. One is racist the other is not racist.