What's the best way to deal with race relations?

so, you really can't speak about "hypocrisy" from the left if you can't produce one thread. You really can't guarantee anything at this point.

if you haven't said anything racial, then what was thrown in your face? Calling someone a race-baiting liberal = defense mechanism activating

There wasn't a question at all actually. Just your opinion.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHPm_TEQ0PA
The video says on "illegal immigration" but hes actually talking about both he doesnt mention illegal immigration till the end,
This is Limbaughs views on legal immigration

"Call it the Limbaugh Laws, (Reminds me of Jim Crow laws), you immigrate to our country you HAVE to speak the native language, you HAVE to be a proffesional or investor no unskilled workers, also there will be no special bi-lingual programs in the Limbaugh Laws, no government business will be conducted in YOUR language (he seems really upset at people speaking other languages, but thats surely not racist let us continue this is where it gets really good) Foreigners will not have the right to vote or hold political office. If you are in our country you cannot be a burden to tax payers, you are not entitled to welfare or food stamps or other government goodies. You can come, if you invest here (this shows he is clearly talking about legal immigration) an amount equal to 40,000x's the daily minimum wage, if not, stay home (how reasonable of him). If you want to buy land, it will be restricted no water front for instance and as a foreigner you have to relinquish rights to the property. And another thing, you are not allowed to protest your allowed no demonstrations no FFFFForeign flag waving (thats how he said it, I take it hes angry just thinking about "foreigners". I put "Foreigners" in quotes because he is also a foreigner to America but the racist ignorant bigot does not even realize it) no political organizing no bad mouthing our president (he said it while Bush was in Office lol he bad mouths the president all the time but since the president is now black its fine to bad mouth him now). You are a foreigner, shut your mouth or get out!!!" - Rush Limbaugh the mighty Racist bastard and his views on legal immigration.

Here are his views on illegal immigration which he says literally in the next sentence "If you come here illegally, your going to jail."

The point of this is to show not only do you try to treat illegal immigrants like (*)(*)(*)(*), you want to treat legal immigrants like (*)(*)(*)(*) also. Why? Im sure it has nothing to do with racism

 

I'm sorry... you just posted a video about Limbaugh proposing laws for immigration, claiming they were his laws, if he had the authority to make immigration laws... but they're not his laws - they're Mexico's laws. I'm guessing you didn't like the laws, right? Either that or you thought most of the laws actually made sense.

Regardless, he was making a point and you completely missed it. Every other country in the world has immigration laws, but liberals constantly battle with Conservatives who want to enforce the laws we have on the books. You call us racists, because we want to keep our borders on lock down, while only allowing legal immigrants to get into the country.

Why shouldn't we protect our borders? Why shouldn't we enforce our immigration laws? Why should we be the only country on Earth without immigration policy? Why should we be the only country on Earth that allows illegal immigrants or have open borders?

It's ridiculous... and you calling Limbaugh racist is ridiculous, merely because you can't understand what he's trying to do - draw parallels.

 

The hypocrisy is in the media, but also in the arguments of liberals. If I have time later, I'll go find a thread... not that it'll make a difference in your thinking.

Thrown in the face of Conservatives. I'm a Conservative, I went to several Tea Party protests since the beginning in 2007. Liberals generalize, calling Conservatives and Tea Partiers racist... among other things. I have seen absolutely no evidence of racism on my side of the aisle. Everything stems from the Liberals... because they want to antagonize and create a stir. People like Sharpton and Jackson get rich off of racism - they don't want it to die off. Calling someone a race-baiting liberal, when they're race-baiting is called truth.

 

You are using a straw man acting like liberals are in favor of illegal immigration that is not at all true. We are talking about legal immigration here, and Limbaugh is talking about putting massive restrictions on "foreigners", as Limbaugh keeps saying, even if they go through the legal process. America is a nation of immigrants and its sad I even have to point this out to racist white conservatives who forget they come from (*)(*)(*)(*)ing Europe and are also immigrants. Just because other countries have massive laws on immigration does not at all mean America should follow suit like you have been saying.

The reason liberals are nicer even to illegal immigrants is because conservatives have already placed a tough barrier for them to get through with immigration, I live in El Paso the largest border town in America and grew up with many of my best friends having illegal dads/uncles that I met and were very nice people who wanted to get out of Juarez because of the extreme violence and drug cartels, created by our war on drugs. That is another big issue, we had cartels during prohibition now people act like we dont have cartels during prohibition of weed, we do they are just in Mexico and its serious as (*)(*)(*)(*) where Juarez (less than half a mile away from my home in America) was the most dangerous city in the world outside of active warzones, and what do we the people who are essentially refugees to this? Wait 6+ years to get citizenship and longer if you are a unskilled worker

The reason your immigration policies are racist is because we all know who immigrates the most here, Mexicans, so you use immigration policies as an excuse to keep Mexicans out of the country. They did the same thing with Weed, a Texas Senator said on the floor of the Senate: “All Mexicans are crazy, and this stuff [marijuana] is what makes them crazy.”
Even PBS and I recall the History Channel saying they made weed illegal to have a excuse to arrest Mexicans in the 1930's, a period when most white people were openly racist (now you try to hide it).

"After the Mexican Revolution of 1910, Mexican immigrants flooded into the U.S., introducing to American culture the recreational use of marijuana. The drug became associated with the immigrants, and the fear and prejudice about the Spanish-speaking newcomers became associated with marijuana. Anti-drug campaigners warned against the encroaching "Marijuana Menace," and terrible crimes were attributed to marijuana and the Mexicans who used it."
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/dope/etc/cron.html

 

http://www.baxterbulletin.com/assets/mp3/D3190658613.MP3
Here is the audio of a Tea Party rally where the speaker Inge Marler makes a extremely racist joke and the audience applauds loudly laughing when she is done with the joke.
Here is the text of the joke,
“A black kid asks his mom, ‘Mama, what’s a democracy?’
“‘Well, son, that be when white folks work every day so us po’ folks can get all our benefits.’

“‘But mama, don’t the white folk get mad about that?’

“‘They sho do, son. They sho do. And that’s called racism.’”
Not surprisingly at all you complain about these exact same things, rich people paying "high taxes" so minorities can get affirmative action/welfare and to top it off you even accuse liberals constantly of race baiting just like Inge says in her racist joke “‘But mama, don’t the white folk (conservatives) get mad about that?’ “‘They sho do, son. They sho do. And that’s called racism (by liberals).’”

And last but not least here are a ton of racist Tea Party signs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S38VioxnBaI

 

But, but, he is going to say that it wasn't a true tea party rally, they were all liberals pretending to be the tea party....

The denial from these folks is getting to the point where I think medication will be needed...

 

I realize im a johnny come lately to this thread Ive been around mixed races all my life. I grew up in a city in a mixed neighborhood, mixed schools, military, my career and just life. Im more segregated now retired in fla than Ive ever been in my life and thats not by design its just how it happened.

In my humble uneducated experience, ive found confronting the issue of race opening and aggressively does not work. What ive experienced that works better is a hybrid open and reserved approach. There are <gasp> liberals forgive me for this blasphemy racists on both sides and the less educated a rascist is the more passionate and unreasonable they are. You have to approach that in a different way. Having said all that.
I just havent seen race discussions ever changing anyones persuasions, the changes that have been have come through law and co mingling of the sexs and races in more public arenas. There is never going to be a magic switch to make us all like each other. Hell theres still white southerners hating on those damn yankees and Irish hating on italians and on and on. There will never be a forced solution to that very american problem

 

They dont change the mind of the person you are arguing with but they can definitely change the mind of people who havent decided who are listening in.

 

Thats a point I hadnt considered

 

I'm thinking about immigating to Germany... and speaking Swahili.

 

Germany is highly Xenophobic so if you are trying to make the point of "Well Germany does it why cant America?" The same way Kevin and Limbaugh were trying to say "Mexico does it why cant we?", than you are fighting a losing battle my friend. American becoming Xenophobic just because the Ex-Nazis are still xenophobic and so is Mexico only makes us as bad as them, which is not a viable suggestion in the least.

edit: I dont know if thats Germany's policy but Kevin tried the same thing with Mexico so I wouldnt doubt that you are doing it also but with Germany.

 

I picked Germany at random. The point was, if I emigrate to another nation, it would be unrealistic and downright stupid of me to be insulted should they expect me to learn their nation's prevailing language as opposed to me expecting them to learn mine. But in America, unrealism and stupidity rules.

 

America is a nation of immigrants (This is not Germany), getting mad at someone for not being able to speak English is unrealistic and stupid. They will learn English eventually there is no need to force it upon them and tell them they have to learn it right away or anything along those lines. I live in the largest border town in America and I dont know Spanish, so im fully aware of the problems this can cause and guess what? Its absolutely no big deal at all. They teach their children English at school, that is good enough for me and the kids help their parents translate and learn English themselves its a very nice arrangement. Here is a perfect example,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sam3deneMgk
Here is a white Southerner at a restaurant and nearby there is a Mom with her child and the mom does not know English but the child is helping her with the Menu, the white Southerner starts talking (*)(*)(*)(*) about the mom speaking Spanish in America and plenty of people in the restaurant who dont speak Spanish stick up for the Spanish speaking woman and her daughter. In this scenario, you are the racist white Southerner and I am the white bystander telling you to shut the (*)(*)(*)(*) up and stop crying about them speaking Spanish.

 

Well, white southerners are ALWAYS the racist, right? lol Anyway, I agree with most of your argument. In fact, I don't really care whether immigrants learn English or not. That's up to them. And I'm not at all into forcing "my way" down other peoples' throats, unlike many of my supposedly enlightened peers. And given the percentage of the US population of Spanish speaking origins, I really have no problem with the nation being dual language. Spanish is a very nice language. If I had language learning to do over again, I think I would prefer it over English.

 

White souterners are not always racist no, I am a white southerner lol but because I am im able to see how others around me act including much of my own family, thankfully none of my immediate family. The reason I am so outspoken against racism especially in the south is precisely because I am a white man from the south and a huge portion of my peers you could say are quite literally making us look bad, so I have more motivation to stop it. I dont say much about racism in Germany because im not German, I dont say much about racism in the north because I have never been to the north ive lived my entire life in the south but even than I dont hear of many cases of racism in the north lol.

I dont think America should have a dual language but we should definitely not have a problem with people speaking other languages here and take all the time they need to learn English, but just so we dont complicate things we should always force their children to learn the predominate language while at school.

 

As an aside to the topic of Spanish speaking America.

Right now we have to some extent a language barrier between English only Americans and Spanish only Americans. No matter how one quantifies the extent of that language barrier it is interesting that that barrier only gets larger with increased bilingualism, dual language signage and other accommodations. This isn't an accusation but something of interest. There are few problems in which the more money and effort that you put into a problem the worse that you make the problem!
We are slowly converting from a nation where some have language barriers to one in which everyone has a language barrier(or a cost or inconvenience).

 

Concerning the term "racist";

Have you ever noticed that people are accused of being either completely racist or not racist at all? There doesnt seem to be any middle ground. Then again, the one hurling the accusation is really just seeking to discredit another person, and being only slightly racist isn't very effective at poking a stick in another guys bicycle wheels.
I suppose that 'racist' actually isn't a real word with a definable meaning as much as it is a weapon. Sadly, it works all to well. See a person you hate or disagree with! No problem, just pull out the racism bag of mud and sling it at them and they skulk away while Bill Mahar and Barbara Streisand clap in approval.
Welcome to Pop Culture America, the moral and ethical freak show of human history.
Is it really that far fetched that in 20 years we will have Kanye West as a Supreme Court Justice smoking a doobie in court wearing a sequined gold thong? LOL...................err..............lol.........lo...........o............

 

The Best Way
to deal with Race Relations today is to cease making it an issue.
We have plenty of laws and legal precedents.
News media outlets are selling stories they should let rest for a decade.
Morgan Freemon and I agree on this.
In the 21st Century, The incessant chatter is feeding the problem. Not improving anything.


Moi

 

One side always claims "racism", and the other side always denies it. Lets look at history, its northerner liberals calling southern conservatives racist and conservatives denying it, who was racist throughout American history? Oh right, southern conservatives. I wonder which side is telling the truth, given our history.

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Its no surprise at all the ones who are not negatively affected by racism are the ones saying forget about it and ignore it.

 

Respectfully,

 

Well if you want to play on assumption, I reply

As long as America continues to promote racism as a crutch for some, there will be racism.

It is time to:

STOP The Discussion of Racism and
START The Discussion On Americanism ​

I do hope the point was not expressed to tamely.


As long as it is the policy of the American government to balkanize Americans, racism is served.
As long as Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, The President get press time over being Black, racism is served.
Speak of Americans being badly treated. Not Black people being badly treated.
Bad treatment is pervasive among all poor people regardless of race.
Yes indeed it is time to put the discussion of race on a back burner because of the way it has been criminally exploited by the likes of Jesse, Al and Barry too.
GOD Bless MLK. His words are lost on today's Black Black racist.


Moi

 

Bold and true.

It's not just the villains you mention. Politicians of all sorts profit by leading group antagonisms. Nothing is worse for politicians than a united people. If we've been divided before, we need not continue to be.

 

You say "No one I have even encountered in this life denies the existence of racism" but I can show you multiple clips on republicans being extremely racist and even people here on the forum being racist I guarantee you will deny each and every single one of them no matter how blatant it is. Of course you are going to say you dont deny racism than turn around and deny it every chance you get. Just like the Republican on Jon Stewarts show who was like "Im not racist one of my best friends is black" than he procceeds to say extremely racist things directly about black people and he gets fired. He was a North Carolina GOP precinct chairman.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...esigns-after-using-racial-slur-on-daily-show/
I guarantee you deny this guy is racist even though he directly said if the voting restrictions "hurt a bunch of lazy blacks who want the government to give em everything than so be it". Not racist huh? What a (*)(*)(*)(*)ing joke.

 

MLK said nothing of the sort. Dont try to put words in his mouth.

You telling people to ignore racism is like a criminal telling people to ignore robberies. You obviously only want them to ignore it so you can keep doing it without any trouble.