What's the best way to improve Muslims?

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Ronstar, Jun 15, 2017.

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How do we convince Muslims to moderate their faith?

  1. Call them names & call Muhammed a terrorist, murdering pedophile.

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  2. Show them love, generosity, friendship, kindness.

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  3. Kindly suggest improvements to their belief system.

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  4. Politely suggest amendments to the Koran.

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  5. Threaten them with expulsion/internment if they don't do as we demand.

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  1. FreedomSeeker

    FreedomSeeker Well-Known Member

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    If Golem is a woman she'll have to enter the mosque through the service entrance, because like the Bible, Islam teaches that women are inferior to men. crank, are you inferior to men?

    Hehe, I KNOW the correct answer to that and it's "crank is BETTER than 99.9% of all men!" Seriously.

    Mohammad, the Perfect Man, said the women are inferior to men - deficient in intelligence and deficient in religion.
    "The women asked, "O Allah's Apostle! What is deficient in our intelligence and religion?" He said, "Is not the evidence of two women equal to the witness of one man?" They replied in the affirmative. He said, "This is the deficiency in her intelligence. Isn't it true that a woman can neither pray nor fast during her menses?" The women replied in the affirmative. He said, "This is the deficiency in her religion." https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Women_are_Deficient_in_Intelligence
     
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    It does. The most educated are more likely to be non-religious. I don't see a lot of PhD Chemist blowing up a subway in the name of ISIS.
     
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    It's not a matter of whether your Pakistani doctor is personally blowing up the subway, it's a matter of whether he supports (morally or even financially) those who do. Education does not seem to have the same impact on the Religion of Peace as it does on Christianity.
     
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    FreedomSeeker Well-Known Member

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    I appreciate your feedback, but "somehow"....uh, you don't sound to convincing.
    You apparently haven't heard of these verses, my friend:


    The laws are an everlasting covenant, for a thousand generations, always and forever.Know therefore that the LORD thy God, he is God, the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations. Deuteronomy 7:9

    Therefore thou shalt love the LORD thy God, and keep his charge, and his statutes, and his judgments, and his commandments, alway.Deuteronomy 11:1

    Be ye mindful always of his covenant; the word which he commanded to a thousand generations ... an everlasting covenant. 1 Chronicles 16:15

    Thou art near, O LORD; and all thy commandments are truth. Concerning thy testimonies, I have known of old that thou hast founded them for ever. Psalm 119:151-2

    Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever. Psalm 119:160

    God will curse you if you don't obey his commandments.Behold, I set before you this day a blessing and a curse; A blessing, if ye obey the commandments of the LORD your God, which I command you this day: And a curse, if ye will not obey the commandments of the LORD your God. Deuteronomy 11:26-28Keeping the commandments is the whole duty of every human.Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man. Ecclesiastes 12:13Remember (and obey) the law of Moses.Remember ye the law of Moses. Malachi 4:4Jesus instructed his followers to obey all of the commandments.Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or tittle shall nowise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven. Matthew 5:18-19
    It is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail. Luke 16:17

    One came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? And he said unto him ... if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. Luke 19:16-17

    And even Paul seemed to agree with Jesus on this (sometimes).The doers of the law shall be justified. Romans 2:13
    Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law. Romans 3:31
     
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    You apparently don't realize how rich and educated the last two HEADS of Al Qaeda are/were!
     
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    I'm superior to some men, you betcha. I can split hardwood!
     
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    Update: option #1 is still more than all the other options COMBINED:
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    Moderate Muslims tend to be very urban and very educated, you know, like Fareed Zakaria.

    Your average terrorist is basically a back-ward uneducated hill-jack.

    In order for a Reformation to take place, there needs to be Caliphate to direct it. There are 30-odd Muslim States and each one practices a slightly different brand of Islam, so once Muslim State under-going a "Reformation" is not going to have a great impact on other Muslim States.

    There's also the issue of Sunni and Shi'a (plus other minor Sects). A "Reformation" of Sunni Muslims will have no impact on Shi'a.
     
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    Mohammad and Jesus have NO HOPE of getting you to join their cults, I can see!
    But, can you spit tobacco and scratch your groin at the SAME time?
     
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    This Fareed idiot gets schooled by the great one (Sam Harris (PBUH)) in this video:
     
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    Historically, fighting against the threat has always worked. Submission.... never.
     
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    The HEAD of ISIS has his doctorate (IIRC) in Islamic theology - so much for you little theory.
     
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    If you have any data showing that rich educated Muslims believe in ISIS be my guest. From the polls I have seen Muslims overwhelmingly disapprove of them even in the uneducated parts.
     
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    So Muslims appear to stupid to reform it themselves - they need some one else to do it for them??
     
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    And obviously we can't let a Caliphate form or Islam would be united against us, and a united Islam would use the dozens of Pakistani nukes against us. NY, London, Paris, all obliterated by the Islamic Bomb.
     
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    What is your point here?
     
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    I don't want them to "like" us. I am happy if we get them to not kill us.

    The rest can be dealt with later.
     
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    "belief in I$I$" is not required. a simple tolerance of extremism is all that's needed.
     
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    Just because rich people have been terrorists doesn't mean they are likely to be terrorists. There are also right wing terrorists but that doesn't mean white people are a terror prone group.
     
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    I nominate Professor Doctor Katie Perry.
     
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    And here you, like most people, thought that Jesus was SUPERIOR to Mohammad - he's not.
     
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    The 9/11 highjackers were quite educated, on average.
     
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    Submission works if your goal is to stay alive for the foreseeable future.
     
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    Just because one rich person is a terrorist doesn't mean terrorists are likely to be rich. The Unibomber was a smart white mathematician who taught at Berkeley but that doesn't make this group terror prone.
     
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    Anyone who would marry Russell Brand is............
     

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