If feminism is an philosophy of supposed equality, why do we not see a line of feminists lining up to give men an 100% equal say in the well being of a pregnancy or child? In Colorado (if I were married) I would have to receive permission from my wife to have a vasectomy, yet a woman can terminate a pregnancy without the consent of a man? How does that work?
There is an SIMPLE solution to such an issue. WRAP IT UP! BEFORE SHE TAKES IT! WRAP IT UP! BEFORE YOU MAKE IT! WRAP IT UP! DON'T FORSAKE IT! WRAP IT UP! EVEN IF SHE FAKES IT! WRAP IT UP! AboveAlpha
The problem and your solution is not relevant to the OP. The Op is about the inequity in the law which is favored by feminists. The same feminists who then claim to be about equal rights
WRAP IT UP!!! No mess...no foul...no issues!! If you don't want to have to pay for the next door neighbors Glass Window....don't use a Bat and a Ball anywhere near the house! WRAP IT UP!!! AboveAlpha
As it is the woman who must carry the child to tem within her own body, it is understandable that she would have certain rights the man does not. However, the societal assumption that the male in this equation is liable financially for the resulting offspring has created a situation of inequality after the fact. The biological father "Should" be involved in the growth (Both mentally and physically) of the child he helped create, but mandated support by the state seems an unequal and unfair means of accomplishing this. This has allowed a woman to take advantage of a man legally, even if she treats the father terribly, or decides to abandon him for another father....he is required to pay her for it. Easily seen as adding insult to injury.
There is equality around pregnancy. The pregnant person obviously has unique rights (and responsibilities) regarding their pregnancy, above and beyond the rights (and responsibilities) both parents of a child have. If a man became pregnant by some means, he would have exactly the same rights as a pregnant woman. If that's true it's a stupid law but it would be wrong to use that as some kind of weapon in a gender war.
Once again irrelevant to the OP - - - Updated - - - If what you say is true then it is clear that the rhetoric by the feminists that they are concerned with equal rights is a lie. There is no geneder war
*shrugs My close friend is married, and had a vasectomy. His wife had to sign off on it. If the tables were turned, feminists would be screaming bloody murder.
So then the man has absolutely no rights or say, but is required to pay child support (even if it is not his kids)? If the tables were turned the feminists would be screaming bloody murder.
The bit about him being required to pay her is distugusting. A close friend has a daughter. The mother attempted to skip state and move to a neighboring state before being served papers for the ensuring custody battle. Had she not been served (served papers through deceit no less as she was avoiding contact with anyone) she would have still been able to obtain child support payments (he was required to pay before even being granted supervised visitation privileges!), while never being required to grant custody. Absolutely ridiculous. If the tables were turned, the feminists would be crying bloody murder.
I do not doubt it....but, this was due to his choice of doctors, he could have gone to another that did not require it.
My ex-wife had an affair (unknown to me at the time), and then decided to divorce me and take my house and three kids (one of which I have since learned was actually his/ we look alike). I must pay child support for all three as required by the courts. This indeed pisses me off, and I am very close to the hatred threshold for that woman...she is most definitely a feminist as well. - - - Updated - - - I was expected to as well, in NY.
How the (*)(*)(*)(*) does the court justify you paying child support for a kid that isn't your kid....?
Courts are a magical place where time, space, logic, and law, are subjective and easily bent to suit a madman's whim.
I have not contested....to messy and would be painful to my actual children, she also has another child with him, but has since left him as well. Classy woman obviously. - - - Updated - - - That and the two year wait to actually be heard.
The fact that the court even dictated X is disturbing. There is no reason for that. Child support should be based on paternity period. Women are interesting, some are great, some middle ground, some less so. I know a young women (23 if I remember correctly) who sleeps with anything that has a heartbeat and changes out boyfriends on a regular basis. Usually two weeks is the life expediency of a relationship. The amusing bit, is that guys get all butt hurt and suicidal when she leaves them. Either she is the best playa ever, or they are (*)(*)(*)(*)ing stupid beyond words for expecting anything to last longer than a couple weeks. I am actually owed quite a bit of beer for making wagers on these idiots and this girl. *random story of an obviously classy woman
Did you actually read what I wrote? It's being pregnant that brings additional rights (and responsibilities), not being female.
I never said it was a perfect situation. It's complex and there is no right answer. Practically though, how could it be any other way than the pregnant woman having the final say in her pregnancy? How legal outcomes like child support are worked out hasn't come up here. I couldn't care less what feminists (real or mythical) might say. Just because they might say something stupid is no justification for you to do the same.
If the woman can end responsibilities at any time without the consent of the father, can the father do the same? Yes or no.
The main inequity is biological. Men don't have the equipment to make a baby. Men don't have the physical burden of pregnancy. Men don't have to deal with the social stigma of being an unwed mother. Men don't have to deal with the societal judgement that women face if the child becomes an antisocial adult.
Yes. Before he has sex. Since he has more to lose he needs to be sure that she's someone he wants to be the mother of his children. Or just make sure he wraps it up or chooses self-pleasure. There are always options.