When will feminists adovocate equality?

Same can be applied to a woman, the rebuttal is moot.

 

That's true, but a man has more to lose and he can't be in control of his own destiny after the fact no matter how much you want it to be so.

 

Sure he can. In the absence of laws that reduce his pre-custody rights to 0.

 

Maybe you should seek to change those laws instead of sitting in front of the computer all day whining.

 

So how would that work exactly if the man wanted the woman to carry the offspring to term but the woman didn't?

Science hasn't invented a machine to replace the uterus and the woman can't be forced to carry the baby to term just like a man can't force her to have an abortion.

So you tell me the answer since you refuse to face the reality of biology in this case.

 

Why? I have no children nor any plans on children.

I have no practical stake in it.

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Maybe you are ignoring the legal issues in this and wish to continue on with the blinders firmly attached.

 

In addition to the rights we all have of course.

No. Being pregnant is not the same situation as being the father so why would you expect them to have exactly the same consequences? In a perfect world there might be a completely equal outcome but it isn't a perfect world. You seem to be looking for a simple, one size fits all answer but such an answer just doesn't exist.

I'd also suggest that a pregnant woman (or a couple for that matter) choosing an abortion isn't quite as simple as just "ending all their responsibilities".

 

I am very much pro-choice, however this thread is to help nail feminism to the cross.

Good to see you answered "no", just further demonstration of feminist hypocrisy.

 

It seems to me to be that the guys here who have so many and varied complaints about
"feminists" may to a man be the same ones who have not had success in a long term stable relationship.

No doubt there are various reasons for that, some are not, never were interested, others have tried and failed thro' another's fault, their own, or a combination.

Most people are not especially comfortable confronting their own mistakes or inadequacies
and it is tempting to put the blame on others.

There are plenty of good men, plenty of good women, perhaps hard to find. Nobody said it would be easy. If someone isnt up to trying, that is perhaps too bad for them, but the world is overpopulated now, so its maybe to the good. Some people for sure should not reproduce.

I suppose I could be bitter toward (all) men, having been very badly injured, and later, having my husband cheating on me. I am cautious, suspicious and wary, its a learned reflex. In that sense I do not "like" men, I'm too often uneasy, tense in their presence.

I will see how things work out with my present boyfriend, well, I hope. If not, it wont be because
I cheat or am unfair in some way.

I wonder a bit, what is it that motivates guys to put up thread after thread here, denouncing
"feminists". Is it to warn other guys, if so, of what? What is it, what specific action, that they should be taking? Is it just to grouse to other guys, misery loves company?

I actually am puzzled, and would like to know.

Is it that some are failures, and want to put the blame on someone else, hoping that will draw the sting?

There are a couple of you here who are so obnoxious you are on ig, you probably know who you are as none of your posts to me get read or answered. So if you respond, its just to the other guys, for I suppose, one or more of the above reasons.

 

Yes I did which makes it very clear the idea of equal rights is a lie.

If someone has more rights then they are lying to claim they support EQUAL rights

 

Oh so you like to be bitter and weird and argumentative?

What legal issues am I ignoring?

We've already discussed them.

Again if you have problems with certain laws spend your time getting them changed instead of trolling the internet with your pity party.

 

Um yes we do have the equipmen t to make a baby, a baby cannot be made without a man. No one has yet manufactured artificial sperm. Even with artificial insemination the sperm has to come from a man.

Yes men do not have the physical burden of pregnancy and neither do women UNLESS the individual woman chooses to carry the baby to term. She has the option of otherwise aborting the fetus to avoid the burden of pregancy and parent hood. Men have no say, choice or right in the issue but they do have responsibilities.

Yes men have the social stigma of being a bad provider or dead beat dad which is as bad or worse than the stigma of being an unwed mother. The stigma of being an unwed mother has largely disappeared. It is in fact so common we can easily find 45 year old great grandmothers who are single. Their daughters are 30 year old single grandmothers and in turn their daughters are 15 year old single moms.
This was unheard of 40 years ago.

Yes men have to deal with precisely the same societal judgement that women face if the child becomes an antisocial adult. Either because he was not present and abandoned the child or did a poor job as a father.

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Maybe if you acknowledge that such inequity exists in said laws it will be the first step towards changing them.

 

Notice how feminists always accuse equal rights activists of, "whining," when they point out an inequity against men, yet if you accuse a feminist of, "whining," when they complain about an inequity they made up like the wage gap, you're a misogynist. Since it's OK for a feminist to accuse male equal rights activists of, "whining," but it isn't OK for male equal rights activists to accuse feminists of whining, this is yet another example of female privilege and matriarchy.

 

Hilarious-lol she says she wants to know, then she says she puts people on ignore-lol

The reason I make posts about feminism is because many people think feminism just means equality. When in reality, feminism today is most often a supremacist hate movement.

Feminism is politically correct as a result of many people's belief that feminism just means, 'equality'. In fact, Feminism is so politically correct it's funded by the government.

Feminism is so politically correct feminist beliefs, most often based on, 'bogus science,' are used to influence public policies.

Policies I'm forced to pay taxes to enforce, public policies that discriminate against my gender.

 

Yet you post here as well.

Look in the mirror.

 

You can actually reduce it down to a single image, women are granted far more rights (one is always more than zero) then men when it comes to raising a child.

Go back to the OP and review it. The therapy session is completely unnecessary.

 

I'm not clear who the feminists you're targeting are though. I'm not convinced the term relates to a singular group of people or a specific set of opinions and it's certainly as often used as an attack rather than an honest identification. I don't really hold with such labels anyway but I explained why my answer to that question is no and I don't see how that necessarily conflicts with any concepts of equal rights or feminism.

 

You don't understand the concept of equal rights. Maybe you need to look at it a different way. Everyone has the rights that apply to pregnancy, male, female, old and young. Obviously those rights only actively come in to play when an individual becomes pregnant. The fact that it is only women within a particular age range are likely to become pregnant is irrelevant. We're anyone else to become pregnant by some means, the same rights would apply to them too.

Compare it to the fundamental rights and responsibilities that apply to all parents. Talking about those isn't discriminating against people who aren't (or can never become) parents. The rights exist continually, independently of any individuals. They're just applied in the contexts that they're relevant.

 

NOne of that is the issue.

No one I know of disagrees.

The problem is that women may avoiud inconvenience and personal responsibity ( parenting ) by having an abortion. Men have no such choice and that is not equal rights.

 

You are not a very good psychologist.

This is not about individual women or some women.

It is about an idealology which is steeped in lies and propoganda which is hateful to humans and human rights.

Your pretensions at insight and analysis are a weak attempt to divert attention.

 

It's not equal rights because they're not equal situations. Being pregnant is different to being the father. That's just biological fact. Even if were desired, It would be impossible to engineer equality from that situation.

Equal rights has never been about treating every individual the same, it's about treating every individual in the same circumstances the same. Every pregnant person has the same rights and every parent has the same rights. There are two separate albeit overlapping things and need to be recognised as such.

 

Rights are not situational nor are they engineered you are simply born with them or not, otherwise you are confusing rights with privileges.

When a woman is becomes pregnant she has the right to not be a parent. The man has no such right that is the differenced. She has choice he has none his responsibility is forced on him hers is chosen

 

What alternative are you proposing to ensure equality then?

 

Require women to inform the man in their first trimester that she is pregnant he had until the second trimester to accept or decline responsibility. Same time frame that she has to have an abortion for convenience.

 

So a man would just has to say "No" and walk away while the woman would need to go through an invasive medical procedure? How is that equal?