Where's Trump's Nobel Peace Prize?

SH had no defenses. Equating that and some WWII scenario should be profoundly embarrassing.

Bush41 knew where this was headed. Bush43 just couldn't. So, we spent trillions and got today's chaos after losing thousands of our best.

And, YOU think that was GOOD???

BTW, Bush43 did not carry out anything from Clinton. That's just your mistake.

 

A S Korean official said that he believes that N Korea will run out of currency around October of this year....thanks to Trump, I'm sure. So ideally we can bankrupt NK, to not only get rid of their nukes, but to ditch The Fat One, and reunify with South Korea. Don't let up on The Fat Boy until he's not longer the dictator. This will also be the worst thing that can happen to China, when you think about it.

 

They operated as an independant and completely INEPT and CORRUPT force...and anyone with half a brain could have seen that coming. We SHOULD have sent our OWN troops in. And yes...the 10th Mountain was in country. And Apparently he WASN'T so "excellent" since Bin Laden got away

He blasted the hell out of empty caves and a lot of rocks. I don't give two hairy craps about Franks.

 

Did you read Franks awesome book? By the time Franks won the war, we still numbered under 1000 of all our men, including their support. Franks took out the Taliban being smart. As you say some of our men went on horseback to assist the Afghan forces also on horseback to wage the war. I believe we have more armed men on the TX/Mexico border, than Franks had in Afghanistan in our uniform.

I may give you the impression i am bragging but such is not true. i mention it to explain the truth of what really did happen there. And you confirmed some of what I said in your first sentence.

Franks mission frankly was to eliminate Afghanistan as the base of Bin Laden. And Bush captured the actual planner of 9/11 and for that no Democrat gives him credit.

 

Democrats forget that we may at last reunify Korea only having the South Korean government to be in charge and the fat rocket boy having tea in Manchuria.

 

Yes - our government pitched SH as the biggest threat on earth. That was just plain BS, but many of us swallowed it.

The "we just continued the war" argument isn't born out by any documentation of decisions made.

The ceasefire was a UN thing - NOT ours. Suggesting we could continue on the basis of that ceasefire without UN consent is illogical.

The UNSC subsumed past decisions in their subsequent moves. And, their subsequent moves did not include authorization for military action - which the UNSC was known to oppose.

And, Bush went to war based on the joint resolution of our congress, which gave him limited justifications - not including the "we're still at war" justification.

 

Nice 1940's pipe dream you have there, Robert.

Sure - Kim will walk away from being a world leader!

 

Tora Bora

The Northern Alliance fighters continued a steady advance through the difficult terrain, backed by air strikes and U.S. and British Special Forces. Facing defeat, al-Qaeda forces negotiated a truce with a local Afghan militia commander to give them time to surrender their weapons. In retrospect, however, some critics believe that the truce was a device to allow important al-Qaeda figures, including Osama bin Laden, to escape.[8]

By December 17, 2001, the last cave complex had been taken and their defenders overrun.[13] US forces continued searching the area into January, but did not find any signs of bin Laden or the al-Qaeda leadership. According to his book published in 2005, the former CIA officer, Gary Berntsen, led the CIA team (consisting primarily of CIA Paramilitary Officers from Special Activities Division) in Afghanistan tasked with locating bin Laden during the armed conflict.[14][page needed]

In his book Jawbreaker (2005), Berntsen said that his team had pinpointed bin Laden's location.[page needed] He wrote that a number of al-Qaeda detainees later confirmed that bin Laden had escaped into Pakistan via an easterly route through snow-covered mountains to the area of Parachinar, Pakistan. He believed that bin Laden could have been captured at the time if the United States Central Command had committed the troops which Berntsen had requested.[14][page needed] In a 2005 interview, the former CIA officer Gary Schroen concurred with Berntsen's opinion

 

If his country goes bankrupt around October (like the S Korean official predicted - these sanctions are the hardest the world has seen in quite some time, don't forget), then no he won't be able to remain in office much longer. I have faith that the N Korean people value food and staying alive more than they value The Tubby Un-elected One.

 

That's where G.W. Bush ****ed up bigly back in 2003.

Back in 2003 only Saddam's "Republican Guard" (the political army of the Baath Party) should have been eliminated. The Iraq army should have been left in intact.

President G.W. Bush (43) made some really big mistakes, he listened to the neoconservatives he surrounded himself with, ignored the Rumsfeld Doctrine and the Powell Doctrine and unlike daddy Bush (41) who went to war with the Reagan military being able to put 500,000 American boots on the ground, Bush (43) went to war with Clinton's military only being able to put 200,000 boots on the ground. 200,000 Americans had no problem of achieving the mission of "regime change" but it would have required a minimum of 400,000 American boots on the ground to occupy Iraq after the mission was accomplished. The results was the second war in Iraq, the Iraq Insurrection.

 

This has absolutely nothing to do with WWII military capability.

Mubarak was a failed leader. His methods were those with which we have serious differences. It wasn't our job to prop up Mubarak.

Our foreign policy has been oriented toward stability in the face of possible change. It's far better for trade that way.

We didn't flip on Mubarak until it was way too late, thus leaving the people of Egypt with the connection of the US to all that was wrong. The result was that we had little to no sway in decisions on what came next. In fact, ideas were rejected purely BECAUSE they were ideas we promoted! The result was a direction we did not like at all.

 

We'll have to win this war IDEOLOGICALLY (defeat Islam), because as the Russians found out (and other western powers), you can't win a military war in Afghanistan. The pen is mightier than the sword, anyway.

 

No, it's true - Democrats seem to not give Trump ANY credit for getting Kim to agree to negotiate - they almost seem to be rooting for KIM (their hatred of Trump is so overwhelming.)

 

Yea the first one was listening to those idiots telling him to invade

 

He didn't "get Kim to agree" to anything.,

HE agreed to what the South Koreans claim KIM asked for. Which by the way is the same thim Kim and his father and his grandfather have been asking for for decades.

NO ONE is "rooting for Kim" and you can blow that out your butt.

So shall we flame on?

 

You are using Wikipedia as your source.

Remember all of Wikipedia "disclaimers" and that Wikipedia should only be used as a staring point for further research.

 

You can blow that crap out your butt too

 

Bush Jr. made the mistake of believing that Muslims are like us - that Muslims like freedom/democracy - they tend NOT to like freedom/democracy, as their 1400 year history proves beyond a shadow of a doubt. Look, Mohammad was an Islamic supremacist, and not into democracy, so it's understandable that we are having to drag the Islamic world, kicking a screaming, into the 21st century. Just read the Qur'an.

 

I READ Schroen's book...years ago

 

That would be crooked Hillary, Bill, and neocons like Chaney and Rumsfeld.

 

He "made the mistake" of listening to the morons he had surrounded himself with

 

Well you got the last two right

 

So then tell us, Lesh, which of these leaders are the best, and which are the worse?
A. Trump and GW Bush.
OR
B. Kim Jong-Un, and Saddam.

Please tell us, is A better, or is B better, Lesh?
If you can't answer "A", then I gotta say that you're full of something.

Have a nice night.

 

So inept they got the Taliban out and a new form of government to manage the nation.
Sure they were corrupt. Both sides are corrupt. If you think the Taliban are not riddled with corruption, maybe you worship Allah.
We would have needed a lot longer to send in our troops. And maybe you blame the 10th Mountain. Sure seems you do. Franks would have got our men killed fighting the war to end Taliban corruption and I am shocked if you wanted our men there in combat.

 

All four believe in regime changes and nation building.