White House weighing a tax on remittances to Mexico to fund border wall

Discussion in 'Current Events' started by Labouroflove, Aug 31, 2017.

  1. Labouroflove

    Labouroflove Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 29, 2009
    Messages:
    12,838
    Likes Received:
    6,852
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I think this is a great idea and don't know why we haven't done it.

    The 4% is a small offset to the cost on our economy. Remittances to Mexico now total over 25 Billion per year, greater than their oil and gas industries combined, and 4% would provide 1 Billion per year.

    I realize that floating this idea is to influence NAFTA negotiations, but I'd like to see it happen.

    Cheers

    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/w...to-mexico-to-fund-border-wall/article/2633089

    President Trump is mulling a tax on cash transfers between immigrants in the U.S. and their relatives in Mexico as a way to fund his promised border wall without forcing American taxpayers to open their wallets, according to sources familiar with the proposal.

    Trump first floated the idea of taxing or halting person-to-person wire transfers, known as remittances, during his bid for the White House. A two-page memo released by his campaign last April described a plan "to compel Mexico to pay for the wall" by preventing immigrants from wiring money outside of the U.S. unless they can prove their legal status to law enforcement authorities.

    Because the Mexican economy has become so dependent on wages sent home by migrant workers, which surpassed oil revenues as its leading source of foreign income in 2015, Trump said he could convince the country's leaders to make a "one-time payment of $5-10 billion" toward his border wall by threatening to stop the annual flow of billions of dollars from the U.S. to Mexico in the form of cash transfers.
     
    Last edited: Aug 31, 2017
  2. Voltamp

    Voltamp Banned

    Joined:
    Apr 20, 2017
    Messages:
    5,690
    Likes Received:
    2,746
    Trophy Points:
    112
    Gender:
    Male
    how can a leftist argue against this?

    what's she going to say, "that money belongs in mexico!!"
     
  3. JakeJ

    JakeJ Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    May 5, 2015
    Messages:
    27,360
    Likes Received:
    8,062
    Trophy Points:
    113
    He should stop pondering about it and do it.
    35% tariff on air conditioning units and components from Mexico too.
     
  4. Labouroflove

    Labouroflove Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 29, 2009
    Messages:
    12,838
    Likes Received:
    6,852
    Trophy Points:
    113
    We should stop Social Security benefits from paying from the treasury to a recipient in Mexico as well. We didn't allow that to start until about 15 years ago.
     
  5. Labouroflove

    Labouroflove Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 29, 2009
    Messages:
    12,838
    Likes Received:
    6,852
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I'd like to see tariffs only to offset our environmental and employment regulations that Mexico doesn't follow. Why encumbere our economy with protections for the environment and protection of workers when emports that aren't subject to our regulations flow freely without offsetting charge to protect our industries? It's insanity, hurts us and doesn't do a damn thing to help the world's environment.
     
  6. gamewell45

    gamewell45 Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Apr 10, 2011
    Messages:
    24,711
    Likes Received:
    3,547
    Trophy Points:
    113
    It won't work; people will simply wire transfer to another country who'll then wire it to Mexico from the other country. All a few people have to do is set up wire transfer businesses in another country to make it work. The US won't see any of that money.....ever.
     
    Bowerbird likes this.
  7. Labouroflove

    Labouroflove Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 29, 2009
    Messages:
    12,838
    Likes Received:
    6,852
    Trophy Points:
    113
    It works for Cuba.

    REMITTANCES SENT TO CUBA
    Amid an economic collapse, Fidel Castro in 1993 reluctantly began to allow “remittances,” or money sent back to Cuba from exiles. As of 2013, 62 percent of Cuban households received remittances, making U.S. dollars an enormous driver of the island’s economy. New rules raised the limit to $8,000 a year from $2,000.

    [​IMG]
     
  8. Spooky

    Spooky Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Nov 29, 2013
    Messages:
    31,814
    Likes Received:
    13,377
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Well there ya go lefties.

    Trump just funded his wall.

    He only needs 1.6 billion for it.

    How is that egg on your face?
     
  9. gamewell45

    gamewell45 Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Apr 10, 2011
    Messages:
    24,711
    Likes Received:
    3,547
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Still won't work; people will find a country that's friendly with the US where there is no tax on remittances. Think outside the box.
     
    Bowerbird likes this.
  10. gamewell45

    gamewell45 Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Apr 10, 2011
    Messages:
    24,711
    Likes Received:
    3,547
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Come back and show us a bill that says "Paid in full" once all the money is collected.
     
    Bowerbird and rcfoolinca288 like this.
  11. Spooky

    Spooky Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Nov 29, 2013
    Messages:
    31,814
    Likes Received:
    13,377
    Trophy Points:
    113
    You are just upset that he actually has a valid plan to pay for it.

    Final plans for the wall design are not due until the end of September and contractors are standing buy with their bids.

    But yes, we will let you know.

    lol
     
  12. Labouroflove

    Labouroflove Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 29, 2009
    Messages:
    12,838
    Likes Received:
    6,852
    Trophy Points:
    113
    At 4% thats probably lower than bank fees in Guatemala necessary for the xfer. Further, it's easy to restrict western union to pay only to an individual recipient in cash and not digitally to a bank that will in bulk transfer the transaction to Mexico.

    It's a new age and money can be followed leaving this country.
     
    IMMensaMind, icehole3 and Steve N like this.
  13. Steve N

    Steve N Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jan 4, 2015
    Messages:
    71,284
    Likes Received:
    91,083
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    4% is too low. Trump should have started at 8% and negotiated down to the 4% he wants, this way the other side feels like they won something even though they got their gonads handed to them while Trump got everything he wanted.
     
    myview, navigator2 and Labouroflove like this.
  14. Spooky

    Spooky Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Nov 29, 2013
    Messages:
    31,814
    Likes Received:
    13,377
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Trump is proving to be extremely savvy.
     
  15. Labouroflove

    Labouroflove Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 29, 2009
    Messages:
    12,838
    Likes Received:
    6,852
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Mexico will never be able to pay in full, they've been shunting their poor across our border for decades. It's Mexico's safety valve and one of the only things that's kept them solvent and without revolution.
     
    IMMensaMind, ButterBalls and Steve N like this.
  16. gamewell45

    gamewell45 Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Apr 10, 2011
    Messages:
    24,711
    Likes Received:
    3,547
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Makes no difference to me; i don't think we need a wall, but people in Washington DC think otherwise. Like I said, good luck getting Mexico to pay for it; I think You'll be paying for it instead.
     
    Bowerbird likes this.
  17. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 19, 2013
    Messages:
    93,462
    Likes Received:
    14,676
    Trophy Points:
    113
    wall will cost $35 billion
     
    Bowerbird likes this.
  18. gamewell45

    gamewell45 Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Apr 10, 2011
    Messages:
    24,711
    Likes Received:
    3,547
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I think you'll be amazed at how people can beat the system. Either way we shall see.
     
    Bowerbird likes this.
  19. Spooky

    Spooky Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Nov 29, 2013
    Messages:
    31,814
    Likes Received:
    13,377
    Trophy Points:
    113
    How do you know, they haven't picked a plan yet.

    Trump is asking for 1.6 billion.

    Got a link?
     
  20. Spooky

    Spooky Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Nov 29, 2013
    Messages:
    31,814
    Likes Received:
    13,377
    Trophy Points:
    113
    You are assuming these people are smart enough to know how to manipulate the world banking system.

    Probably why they spend 12 hours a day picking strawberries.
     
  21. Zorro

    Zorro Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2015
    Messages:
    77,238
    Likes Received:
    51,885
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Yes.

    President Trump is mulling a tax on cash transfers between immigrants in the U.S. and their relatives in Mexico as a way to fund his promised border wall without forcing American taxpayers to open their wallets.

    This would prevent immigrants from wiring money outside of the U.S. unless they can prove their legal status to law enforcement authorities.

    Because the Mexican economy has become so dependent on wages sent home by migrant workers, which surpassed oil revenues as its leading source of foreign income in 2015, Trump said he could convince the country's leaders to make a "one-time payment of $5-10 billion" toward his border wall by threatening to stop the annual flow of billions of dollars from the U.S. to Mexico in the form of cash transfers.

    In 2016, Mexican immigrants living in the U.S. sent $27 billion to family members and friends in their native country.

    Rep. Mike Rogers, R-Ala., introduced a bill in March to levy a 2 percent tax on all cash transfers from "anybody who remits to South America." The legislation would net a little more than $1 billion a year and "comport with President Trump's pledge to build a wall and make Mexico pay for it."

    "I went over and met with the deputy chief of staff Rick Dearborn in the White House about two weeks before we left for recess and he told me that they're trying to come up with a package of bills or pay-fors and hopes mine will be part of that," Rogers said. "My understanding is that they're trying to find a way to make sure that the money comes from money that would have gone to Mexico."

    Border wall funding was thrust back into the spotlight earlier this month when Trump told a rowdy crowd in Phoenix that he would rather shut down the government to secure money for his most contentious campaign promise than capitulate on a spending bill that does not include wall money.

    "We need the wall, it's imperative," Trump reiterated at a press conference this week. "We may fund it through the United States, but ultimately Mexico will pay for the wall."

    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/w...to-mexico-to-fund-border-wall/article/2633089
     
    PrincipleInvestment likes this.
  22. EMTdaniel86

    EMTdaniel86 Banned

    Joined:
    Apr 8, 2011
    Messages:
    9,380
    Likes Received:
    4,403
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    And they can
    And where is that coming from?
     
  23. Labouroflove

    Labouroflove Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 29, 2009
    Messages:
    12,838
    Likes Received:
    6,852
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Interesting tidbit.

    Do you realize that Mexican citizens get upto a $4,050 tax deduction for their remittances to family in Mexico?

    Specifically, the Code creates a special provision with respect to cash transfers to residents of Mexico (with the same applicable to Canada) that are not available for transfers of funds to relatives living in any other country outside the U.S. According to IRS Publication 501, Table 5 on page 12, the (U.S. taxpayer's) eligible relatives include:

    - Your child, stepchild, foster child, or a descendant of any of them (for example, your grandchild). (A legally adopted child is considered your child.)

    - Your brother, sister, half brother, half sister, stepbrother, or stepsister.

    - Your father, mother, grandparent, or other direct ancestor, but not foster parent. Your stepfather or stepmother.

    - Your father, mother, grandparent, or other direct ancestor, but not foster parent. Your stepfather or stepmother.

    - A son or daughter of your brother or sister. A son or daughter of your half brother or half sister.

    - A brother or sister of your father or mother. Your soninlaw, daughterinlaw, fatherinlaw, motherinlaw, brotherinlaw, or sisterinlaw.

    - Any of these relationships that were established by marriage aren't ended by death or divorce.
     
  24. Steve N

    Steve N Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jan 4, 2015
    Messages:
    71,284
    Likes Received:
    91,083
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Wait...that's OUR IRS?
     
  25. Professor Peabody

    Professor Peabody Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Apr 19, 2008
    Messages:
    94,819
    Likes Received:
    15,788
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Then we place the 45% tax on all remittances outside the US. Check and mate.
     
    vman12 likes this.

Share This Page