Who here receives government benefits

I wish I could but it was pointed out by Judge Napolitano a few times

 

"Who here receives government benefits"

no tax cuts for the rich for me, I have to pay my federal taxes

 

No Im not there is a law forbidding you to be cut off without reason or due process

 

In the constitution? Please elaborate on that. You're the one who used the word unconstitutional.

 

It probably is a law based on the 14th amendment

 

Sir, each must come to terms for their actions in their own ways. It is not up to me to dictate anothers terms, that is their responsibility. I have made my terms and come to peace with what remains of this life. Should my time expire tomorrow, I leave in peace with the understanding I have accepted responsibility for my indiscretions. They are on no one but me.

Well I would disagree back at you for your statement. Many of our generation stood and said no, some by taking the coward's way out running to Canada but some stood and lost their liberty for their convictions. The nation degraded both equally until many years later when the ones from Canada were allowed to return with no ill effects. It is this lesson that has not just been ignored but swept under the rug instead of having a lesson to learn.

My maternal grandfather was born in 1907, too young for WWI, my dad was born in 1927, too young for WWII so I was the first generation to go packing off to war. I could use that as an excuse because there was no one to explain the ugliness of that action, I was the first. I could use that as my excuse but that is all it would be an excuse. Excuse is but a weak conviction for lack of morals or acceptance of responsibility.

Now I will not argue with you that once you were there, there were no options. It wasn't just your life but the lives of those around you that was at risk. Once there you were duty bound to cover your peers as you expected them to do their duty. It was there that the awaking began. It has been since them that the truth has surfaced. I read Diem's book. I read every book I could get my hands on about that war and the truth started to unfold.

I read of the USS Maine and the RMS Lusitania. I read about the actions leading up to Pearl Harbor so it was no surprise about the Bay of Tonkin. I've read about Prescot Bush and financing Hitler. All of this knowledge is readily available at your fingertips so excuses are just that, a shirk of responsibility. When I went to Vietnam, nobody I knew wanted me to go, they were against it. The nation was tired of the war and against it. It was purely the false pretense of misguided duty.

But today, there is no lack of knowledge just the ignorance of not wanting to know. How many more millions of souls will this country destroy?

P.S. Only tried eggs and ham once, there was someone that would trade pork slices or others for those eggs and ham.

 

I did and those "finding another way to fund" words were yours, not a copy from a previous post. So the question still stands, how are any of those protections?

 

I'm pretty sure your statement that they "don't have real jobs" clearly defines your thoughts.

Now, how many police????

Hard to enumerate an exact number. I have two cousins formerly elected Sheriffs, 3 uncles who were police officers, play golf, racquetball, and basketball with more than a dozen local police and deputies, have worked closely with the FBI, NCIS, and local authorities on cyber investigations.

By name? Probably around 50.

Not real jobs? Put that on your tag.

 

In today's world I would say it would be tantamount to keeping the baby and losing the family.

 

Like all people who project. Don't know what the hell you're talking about.
And where did I hint I'm a big tax advocate? I am not for the guy making 10G/yr paying the same rate as the dude making 250K/yr.
Because, as I already stated, a big chunk of their spending as a % of their income is going to consumption taxes. Why you want to make those who make barely enough already to make even less is beyond me.

 

What JakeJ said above.

 

You are trying to confuse your statement with the 14th Amendment and that duck don't quack.

 

Of course I would have gone to Canada if …… if I knew the possibility was there. But even if I had known (I didn’t) wouldn’t I have been too chicken (*)(*)(*)(*) to actually do it? Sweden was actually another alternative but getting here was certainly more difficult. They were mostly active duty in Europe (Germany, Italy, Greece, etc) who got orders for Vietnam and didn’t want to go, so they came to Sweden. And there were some who deserted by turning themselves into the Swedish embassies while on R&R in Australia, Thailand, Japan … yeah the countries authorized for R&R. I met 3 of them here before the amnesty. I was happy to meet them but I think they felt guilty to meet me. Too bad. A few years ago there was a case of a guy who’d been stationed in Germany. He came to Sweden under a false name, married, had children and no one knew he existed all of these years! I guess he got tired of living a lie and came clean. Just checked it. I’ll have to read it again now.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-sweden-usa-deserter-idUSBRE85G07Y20120617

TAKING RESPONSIBILITY.
I hope you are not taking more of it than you really deserve. Responsibility, I mean. Forgiving yourself is just as noble as forgiving others. I think my return in ‘99 helped me to forgive. What about you? Did you ever go back? There were only a few guys who did “bad things” in my unit. As you can guess, I wasn’t one of them. I wasn’t an angel exactly but it’s never been in my blood to intentionally cause others strife. I got demoted twice for being where I wasn’t suppose to be, technically AWOL but it wasn’t written up as such. The worse was my second R&R in Japan. ‘In-country’ at Vung Tau was closed because it had been attacked. Anyway, after a week in Tokyo I still had a fistful of money left so I stayed until it ran out and then reported to the USAF base, I’ve forgot the name of it now, and flew back to Vietnam.

Oh Christ! Shut me up please. I don’t want to talk about this.

Anyway, I was 19 when I went over. Maybe you were older, but at my age I didn’t have a great understanding of my surroundings or what I did with it. I was naïve and I know it. I can’t take much personal responsibility for my actions. In any case, all of my really bad nightmares are long over with. I had lots of them, and often. Eventually they just turned into confusing dreams – being back in the Nam but no action – just trying to find my way back to my unit and taking someone (I don’t know who) along with me. But somewhere along the line even the dreams disappeared. It’s all gone now.

 

No idea. You'll have to ask Gamewell what he meant by it. It was his statement, not mine. All I was saying is that there is more than one way to skin a cat ..... and more than one way to fund whatever it was he talking about.

 

Do you live in Cop Land ?

Duty:
Something that one is expected or required to do by moral or legal obligation.

The binding or obligatory force of something that is morally or legally right; moral or legal obligation.

 

Until you can I claim it does not exist

 

God sometimes it feels like it. I mean, I love these guys but when you get a crowd of them together you got to keep a mop around to clean up the testosterone.

Not sure what the "Duty" thing has to do with the discussion. Police, firemen, people operating water and sewage treatment facilities, building inspectors, 911 operators, and others are real jobs. Your statement is an insult to all of these people doing work that needs to be done.

 

I paid into it for 50 years. Ex Viet Vet, where I made less money than a prison inmate. I paid my way now go pay yours. If you want to pay for someone else's insurance go right ahead.

 

Those who serve in the military and what we refer today after 9/11 as first responders (police, fire fighters, EMT) have a moral obligation to those they serve for. All take an oath.

Now elected politicians also take an oath of office but how many actually uphold that oath of office ? Not many.

 

It will die on the vine eventually

Snarky comment

That makes no sense at all.

 

Please, oath?

It is a job, or not.

What was said is that anyone working for and receiving a government paycheck DOES NOT HAVE A REAL JOB.

I'm pretty sure the police officers and EMT guys are listed as "employees" just like the janitor and the receptionist.

Nothing in any oath says ""this is not a job."

 

I do. I was educated in government funded schools, I drive on government funded roads, I travel through government funded ports and airports, I benefit from working with people trained in government funded schools, I was able to go to college and graduate schools because of government funded loans, I get weather reports based on government funded agencies, I benefit from not having hordes of homeless people around me because of government funded social programs, I am protected by a government funded police force, fire department, and military, I have benefited from government funded science, and my dad is still alive because of government funded health care. Just a few things off the top of my head. I'm sure there are many more.

 

Education is for me nothing I choose Industrial program how was misstakes.

I dumb a murder in 2004 education.

In class 5 I want to been Journalism.

In my school books I say this.

 

Save a % of what you take home, not of the money you don't take home.
I doubt SS is going any where.

 

In other words you didnt build that