Why America is hated: An alternate view of 9/11 and U.S. foreign policy

not if Bernacke keeps monetizing the debt

 

Listen to what 911 commission members say.

 

Absolutely a political defeat.

Yes, the US could have won, but its strategy was interfered with. Military leadership overall was dismally poor. But as for too much collateral damage, that's nonsense. I beleive is was Nixon that authorized the B52 carpet bombing of Hanoi. Roughly 2 million vietnamese died in that war.

You are correct that US troop deaths were about 60,000 while estimates of NVA deaths ranged from 500,000 to over 1,000,000.

 

Vietnam was just another battle in the Cold War, which the US won. Korean Peninsula, Tibet, Vietnam, Afghanistan etc etc. They didnt occur in isolation and the Cold War was for a time very much about a type of 'communism' more then just the USSR. In fact the US did achieve the more important strategic objectives in Vietnam, just not all of the strategic objectives.

 

Price increases/decreases based on "percieved" supply is a nice way of saying speculation.

Drilling in earnest in the US won't see appreciable contributions to domestic oil supply for at least 5 years. Refinery capacity would have to be increased significantly as well, and that gonna take a lot longer than five years. Probably a good plan, but not to preclude alternative energy sources. The world would be a lot farther ahead on that front if Big Oil didn't have the worlds' cajones in their tight little fists.

 

Price increases/decreases based on "percieved" supply is a nice way of saying speculation.

Drilling in earnest in the US won't see appreciable contributions to domestic oil supply for at least 5 years. Refinery capacity would have to be increased significantly as well, and that gonna take a lot longer than five years. Probably a good plan, but not to preclude alternative energy sources. The world would be a lot farther ahead on that front if Big Oil didn't have the worlds' cajones in their tight little fists.

 

Are you smoking dope...the delusional self-hating Left and the Ron Paul anarcho-kooks together haven't ever stopped blaming America first yet for the 9/11 jihad attacks. In any event, Muslims never attack non-Muslim unbelievers because of their foreign policy, or because of their freedoms, or because of what non-Muslim unbelievers do or do not do. Instead, they attack non-Muslim unbelievers because per the sixth and most important pillar of Islam it is an obligatory duty in Islam for every Muslim to fight jihad against unbelievers in the cause of Allah to make Islam supreme.

Indeed, the sixth and most important pillar of Islam doesn't make it an obligatory duty only for extremists and the sixth and most important pillar of Islam doesn't make it an obligatory duty only for radicals, while at the same time giving so-called moderate Muslims a free pass and exemption from fighting jihad in the cause of Allah. Instead, it makes it an obligatory for ALL MUSLIMS to fight jihad in the cause of Allah, no exceptions.

Hence, ALL MAINSTREAM ORTHODOX MUSLIMS are in reality jihadists, a few of them are violent jihadists and most of them are non-violent jihadists, and the ones that aren't jihadists aren't Muslims at all, but blasphemous apostates that per the dictates of Islam must be executed.

Thus, the notion that Muslim jihadists attacked us on 9/11/2001 because of US foreign policy or because of our freedoms is ludicrous, as Muslim jihadists attacked us on 9/11/2001 because it is their obligatory duty to fight jihad in the cause of Allah.

In fact, it couldn't be clearer that when self-hating delusional leftists and Ron Paul anarcho-kooks blame America first for the 9/11/2001 jihad attacks, like it was America's chickens coming home to roost, that they are transposing their own unhinged ideological manias and paranoias onto Muslims by assuming that Muslims exactly like those loons also share them as well. When the real reality is they couldn't be more clueless of Muslims and of Islamic civilization, which, by the way, couldn't be any more alien to Western civilization.

Indeed, look at the way the unhinged writer of this garbage stupidly claims that only lower classed poor Muslims become suicide/homicide bombers. Hell, these unhinged self-hating loons can't help using class warfare even when it comes to Islamic civilization and that is absolutely hilarious at the same time that it demonstrates also that this writer is more than just a little mentally unhinged.

With respect to the OBL interviews and manifestos, they are all propaganda (i.e., taqiyya) meant for Western consumption in order to deceive the West. Indeed, for a definitive analysis of their true purpose read Raymond Ibrahim's The AL Qaeda Reader, whereby Mr. Ibrahim, a Coptic Egyptian immigrant and US citizen, translated the writings of OBL and Ayman Zawahiri that were captured by US forces in Afghanistan and that were written in Arabic and never intended for Western consumption, and then juxtaposed those writings next to their writings that were meant for Western consumption in order to deceive the West, and it becomes abundantly clear that OBL and Zawahiri's sole motivation for acting wasn't because of US foreign policy, or because they hated our freedoms, or because of global warming as OBL even claimed in one of his dispatches, but was instead in fulfillment of their holy obligation to fight jihad in the cause of Allah. As for as US foreign policy or our freedoms goes, neither one of them were the least of their concerns..

Finally, whoever wrote that absurd unhinged garbage of an article is also a paranoid anti-Semitic bigot, who not only blames Israel, but also insinuates that Israel somehow controls America's foreign policy, a classic blood libel used to incite hatred and violence against Israel in an effort to facilitate another mass genocidal holocaust of Jews. Indeed, anyone posting and believing this garbage is more than just a little delusional.

 

I guess the only way to not get screwed by an oil company is to own one. Conoco-Phillips dividends increased from .55 to .66 last year so if you have have enough to invest in them the dividends would pay for your fuel.

Their shares are priced at $65 so if you spend 2K a year on gas and can buy 3,000 shares the oil company will pay you to fill your tank.

 

The US didn't achieve any important strategic objectives in Vietnam. It was a failure, and a humiliating one at that. It wasn't the military's fault, it was the politicians fault.

The commies took over south vietnam. Preventing that was the single most important justification (strategic objective) for the US getting involved in the war, in the first place. No amount of spin is going to alter the plain facts.

 

Not everything you might disagree with is spin. US involvement in Vietnam showed China the US was going to intervene in other areas of Asia. China learnt the US would protect Japan via the Korean Peninsula the hard way and was happy to let the NVietnamese test the depth of the waters in that part of the world. Winning was ideal but by the end of the Vietnam war it was not important anymore.

 

It was important enough for America to start financing a far-left, communist, regime in Cambodia-that of Pol Pot-after The Vietnamese invaded that country and installed their own Vietnam-friendly government in Phnom Penh

 

Thank you, good analysis!

 

That is a lie.

Before US started their support of Israel, Islam was not a problem in Europe or the USA.

 

Well TO (*)(*)(*)(*)ING BAD. We can support whoever we want and shouldn't have to expect radical anti-jews to drop planes into our buildings.

We can support whoever the (*)(*)(*)(*) we want and there shouldn't be any kind of terrorist consequences from that!

Support for Israel IS NOT A LEGITIMATE CASUS BELLI

 

Uh huh; your support for the odious Pol Pot was noted-and all because you got sand up your arse over the hated Vietnamese invading Cambodia and installing a Vietnam-friendly government there.

Why would anyone violently object to America supporting, arming and feeding a genocidal communist dictator? Beats me...but, hey, support whoever you like, just don't start whining about freedom and democracy unless you want your hypocrisy shoved up your collective arses.

 

WTF are you to talk? You sold your soul to the socialist devil decades ago and have an entire generation of youth rioting because they don't want to work the menial labor jobs that are they are qualified for.

My girl who is from the UK just got back and things over there are far (*)(*)(*)(*)tier than you people let on. In short, you don't have room to talk about my society becuase yours is highly inferior.

 

The CIA and the National Intelligence Estimate both cited US military interventionism as the motivation for terrorist attacks. While many refuse to believe it Osama bin Ladin also cited US interventionism as the cause behind al Qaeda terrorist attacks against the United States and cited the ideals upon which America was founded as being noble ideals that we ignore in our international actions.

Terrorism is never justifiable but we do know the reasons behind the terrorist attacks against the United States. It was not our ideals but instead our disregard for our ideals reflected by US military interventionism and tyranny in foreign countries which motivated those attacks.

 

So you're denying America supported Pol Pot-a communist?

 

Islam has been a problem since we decided not to stay on our side of the ocean

Same (*)(*)(*)(*), different day.

 

Without US military interventionism you would be nothing better than a dirt poor subsistence farmer living on whatever meagre scraps of existence you could scratch from the dirt.

American cannot afford to be morally righteous and still rule as the world hegemon. Do we play in a grey area when it comes to foreign policy? Yes, but your ideals are impossible to hold up on the international stage because our first duty is to maintain or global dominance and control the resources necessary to maintain our quality of life.

Without US intervetionism we'd be little better off than Mexico, and without that powerful US military to dominate the trade lanes, China would become the world hegemon and we'd be nothing but their lapdogs.

The Founding Fathers did not intend for our ideals to apply to anyone but ourselves domestically, and when it comes to foreign policy, we have always engaged in what was pragmatic and good for America economically from our earliest days. Virtually all of our Founding Fathers were imperialists by today's definition. If you can't accept the fact that America has to practice some form imperialism in order to do more than just merely subsist.. then you are in for a sad disappointment because the only way we're getting knocked off the pedestal of hegemony is if China can nuke us off it.

I'm not giving up rulership of the world unless it's forced upon me.

 

Sorry Serfin, but you killed approximately 2 million Vietnamese civilians - I am not sure anyone could reasonably regard that as evidence of restraint.

The US' stated aim in entering the Vietnam conflict was the prevention of Communists taking over Vietnam. Evidence that you lost the war in Vietnam lies in this flag



flying over Vietnam, not this one -

 

The conspiracy theories section is further down the main page. This thread needs to be moved. And your article is pulling the classic left wing trademark of blaming the victim. Sad, predictable, and pathologically bent on always blaming America first.

This isn't even a good argument. Think about this one for a second. Why would anyone that hated freedom attack America instead of somewhere like Norway or Sweden? Could it possibly be..... maybe.... just maybe.... relevance? No part of Scandanavia is anywhere near as relevant on the world stage as America. America is still the biggest dog on the block and is symbolic of all of those qualities pursued by other such nations. If you want to bring down a giant, you don't kick it in the kneecap. You club it in the head. It doesn't take a genius to understand that.

 

One big problem with the OPis that it never winds back around to the original question of why America is hated. There is a brief remark at the beginning but that's all.

 

Dumb question that presumes it cant be both. Al Qaeda has carried out attacks all over the world. More relevant question would be why do they hate the world. They hate any and all governments that oppose their establishment of an Islamic Caliphate. That would be all of them maybe but for Sudan.

This is from Maqdisi. One of the most frequently cited scholars among those who support violent jihad.

From Qutb, another of the most cited Islamic Scholars

Yeah, they hate freedom.