Why do criminals in other countries obey gun laws?

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  1. Xenamnes

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    Then the claim being made by yourself is not that it is firearm-related restrictions which supposedly "work" in other nations, but rather it is the presence of rule of law, and the respect for said rule of law on the part of the public, which actually "work" in these other nations. Without the rule of law, and without the respect for the rule on the part of the public, no firearm-related restriction, no matter how strict it may be, will ever actually work, as it will simply be ignored and go unenforced, just as is being observed in the nation of Mexico.

    If such is the case, then there is no point in bothering with attempting to implement any new firearm-related restrictions in the united states, as there is no existing rule of law to be observed.
     
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    Nope we have great rule of law here. The laws would work great here. Thanks
     
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    well we know in other countries, those laws impede or outright prevent legal gun ownership so that is obviously what you want in the USA

    so don't whine about being called a gun banner.
     
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    those being gun bans that you want here.
     
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    Indeed you do not. The united states does not possess actual rule of law.

    The licensing division for the state of New York, made up of law enforcement officers, and tasked with issuing firearm permits to applicants in the state, were caught issuing numerous permits to those who could not legally possess firearms to begin with, in exchange for monetary bribes. Where was the rule of law in this circumstance?

    In the state of Nevada, the attorney general has ruled that the supposedly universal background check is unenforceable due to how it is written, and that no one can be prosecuted for intentionally violating it. Where is the rule of law in this circumstance?

    The state of Connecticut told the public that it must register so-called "assault weapons" in order for them to remain legal to own, and the majority of those who own such firearms have refused to comply with the order, and law enforcement has stated that they will not press the issue as it poses a threat to the well being of its individual officers. Where is the rule of law in this circumstance?
     
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    We have great rule of law. One of the best in the world. Not perfect rule of law but among the highest in the world
     
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    If such were indeed the case, then why are the individual states, one by one, opting out of abiding by federal laws on matters pertaining to immigration and the war on drugs? They are refusing to abide by federal law, and instead implement their own laws on the matters. If the rule of law in the united states is so strong, and so great, why are the individual states ultimately going rogue, and threatening to arrest anyone that attempts to enforce federal laws within their territory?

    It is your own admission that firearm-related restrictions only work when rule of law exists, and the restrictions are actually complied with. Since the untied states is devoid of rule of law, said restrictions cannot and will not work in the united states, thus meaning there is no reason to support the implementation of new restrictions.
     
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    One size does not fit all.

    Federal<local.

    Don't apply laws where there is no consent to them.
    That is not the rule of law, that is the abuse of power.


    This is how Brits tell the story of the American war of independence.
    We tried to rule federally and we lost the country because of it.

    There after in an attempt not to repeat this error we changed over to local rule for our other colonies. And they are still in the Commonwealth to this day.
     
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    The US has great rule of law. I dare say you can't find anyone that will agree with you. Lol
     
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    The united states is among one of the most corrupt nations in the world. There is no rule of law to be had. If there were then law enforcement corruption would not be a widespread problem like it is currently.
     
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    The US is ranked 18th out of 175 countries for corruption. We have a very highly respected rule of law
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_Perceptions_Index
     
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    You also believe the US is one of the most corrupt nations on earth and has no effective rule of law? Really?
     
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    I believe this country is infected with people who want to erode our constitutional freedoms and that has nothing to do with my post to you that you didn't actually respond to
     
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    None of which changes the fact that the united states is plagued by significant degrees of corruption that prevent it from having true rule of law. Government wrongdoing is not punished, it is justified and rewarded, and the bad actors shielded from the consequences of their actions, with the united state supreme court ruling that their bad actions are legally permissible.
     
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    You are factually incorrect and I posted the facts. You lose
     
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    Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawn, ZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzz..................
     
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    Its funny watching you even hint someone else didn't answer a question given how many times you have avoided answer this

    WHY DO YOU CLAIM THE CANADIAN GUN REGISTRY IS A HUGE SUCCESS?
     
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    Oh let me answer.....they have much fewer gun deaths than we do
     
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    they did before they had the registry so as usual, that is a worthless claim
     
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    It must be the demographics in all those states. Lol
     
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    its sure not registration
     
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    Maybe it's the water.....or the air. All these states must have something in common besides registration. Oh I know....it's the dirt. Special dirt. Lol
     
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    i realize its hard for you to admit it, but there is no evidence registration does anything to decrease crime in the USA
     
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    Well....except save lives. There is that. Lol
     
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    How does or how can Registration save lives ?

    Thieves steal registered guns all of the time, they also often get rid of the serial numbers too.

    At one time, before 1968, Registration did not exist.

    Registration proves nothing, save the last guns owner.
     

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