Why do criminals in other countries obey gun laws?

So Canada has more criminal enforcement than we do? Really?

 

And fewer criminals and drug trafficking across your border. Fewer gangs and such.

 

I am definitely leaning towards a societal reason as opposed to a regulatory reason.

 

I dunno let's ask Canada.

http://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/rp-pr/csj-sjc/jsp-sjp/wd98_4-dt98_4/p8.html

Apparently they use a lot of words to determine they can't tell if it did anything. Lawyer-speak for they do nothing.

They did put in one interesting tidbit though:

"The previous review concluded that the strongest evidence uncovered by U.S. studies is on restrictions on carrying firearms and enhanced sentences for the criminal use of firearms (Gabor, 1994: 79)."

I know you don't support that though, cause it costs money and stuff.

We do know that those who get a CCW are far more law-abiding than the average public though, thanks to 20+ years of data from many states.

 

Uh....it says the laws lead to less firearm injuries. Lol

 

Which part.

I read the whole thing but may have missed something.

The summary doesn't seem to indicate that:

8.6 Summary

• Research efforts have focused on evaluating the 1977 firearms legislation. Evaluations have tended to focus on variations in the rates of various types of fatal injuries, since data on non-fatal ones are less complete.
• To date, the research has been unable to demonstrates that the 1977 legislation had a clear and conclusive impact on the role of firearms in fatal injuries in Canada. Considering the complexity of the objectives of such legislation and the lack of data, it is not surprising that more definitive answers are not available.
• Attempts to determine whether a particular policy initiative had a significant impact have focused on the levels of fatal incidents.
• Research conducted in other countries, mainly the United States, has produced contradictory and inconclusive findings about the impact of firearm control.
• The strongest U.S. research evidence relates to restrictions on carrying firearms and enhanced sentences for the criminal use of firearms. In both cases, however, the effect of these measures is strongly mitigated by the level, the intensity and the consistency of enforcement practices. Policies to prevent firearm violence through mandatory minimum sentences and enhanced mandatory sentences for firearm crimes are popular. However, the deterrent value of such measures is difficult to evaluate.
• The imposition of waiting periods before a firearm can be legally acquired is also widely believed to have an impact on certain types of crime and on suicide attempts. No clear research evidence is available to confirm this hypothesis.

 

Oh really ?
You reckon so ?
I say it is pretty easy if someone in Japan wants a Gun, they can easily get one.
However, in a society where people commonly have skills to kill without weapons, or used edged weapons etc, guns would tend to be a moot point, unless you really believe the complete absense of firearms = no crime, which is a completely fallacious statement.

It seems that getting killed with a ball peen hammer or getting kicked to death or Judy chopped into an early grave is fine as long as you have strict Gun Control.

 

The libs should move to Chicago where they can enjoy the best gun laws have to offer.

 

Strict gun laws matter very little if right next door you have lax gun laws

 

In my opinion,that is a weak answer because you left out many factors besides "gun" control. Robini asked a great question,which I doubt most of us can give a truly good and deep answer to, since that requires an answer that goes beyond controlling access to weapons,what about cultural,educational,philosophical and economic factors? Surely they all have an effect on how we behave?

 

Of course they do. But we can not make law in those areas. We have to work with what we can

 

So you really believe people "Buy" guns legally and then take them into other states and sell them?

 

By the thousand....or the one

 

Are you aware that the guns are traceable to the original buyer?

 

Sure. Officer...it was stolen....works great

 

And where can you buy thousands?

 

You just make this stuff up as you go, huh?

 

Are all these people making it up as they go along too. LOL

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/11/12/us/gun-traffickers-smuggling-state-gun-laws.html?_r=0

http://america.aljazeera.com/articl...laws-in-indiana-fuel-violence-in-chicago.html

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/guns-n-y-crimes-bought-states-article-1.2843521

 

Yes, they are.

 

Please show a documented case where that was done.

 

You post opinion pieces as facts. That's very liberal of you.

 

You really missed the point I made here completely.

There are factors in the way people live that influence on how we behave,that is why I brought up possible areas that help determine why Canada,Australia can have low gun related homicide rates. They were already low BEFORE they outlawed guns,therefore some other factor was in place in those two nations.

In the State of Vermont,it has a very relaxed firearm carry requirement in place,but no upswing in gun crimes in the state is seen.

Vermont Concealed Carry Permit Information

"Concealed Permit
It is lawful to carry a firearm openly or concealed provided the firearm is not carried with the intent or avowed purpose of injuring a fellow man. There is no permit required to carry concealed."

"Open Carry:
Unrestricted in most public areas and generally accepted."

LINK

 

But people follow the law, right?

 

Most people do

 

You post nothing at all