Why do some guys think they can't get women if they aren't rich?

the thing is when you reach adult hood money is an important factor in social and dating lives. you cant take a woman out broke, a woman doesnt want a deadbeat boyfriend.

A woman wants a man she is physically,emotionally attracted too and one she can have a future with. Money is important to the aspect of having a future. Looks alone arent gonna buy you two a house,pay the bills, buy a car and feed the kids. Not saying women expect men to pay for everything, but in all fairness a relationship is a 2 way street and you depend on each other to make it through each day. So basically a man does have to prove he can carry his own weight.

You arent gonna marry the woman you are in love with if you cant move out of mommies house.

 

I find it difficult to believe, that capital may not be necessary under Any form of Capitalism.

 

"100,000 house near a country club"
What is that about 650.00/month payment? My car costs not much less then that a month.

If you are a man and you aren't making at least 50K a year, you are probably living with Mom and Dad or coming on message boards complaining about money not mattering while complaining that women are gold diggers.

That being said there are honorable professions that don't make a lot money. Spent four years as one straight out of high school.

 

An annual income threshold of $50K as the line of demarcation between success or failure, seems a little high to me. Here in the Mid-West a person can live on $25K - 30K reasonably well if they budget properly...outside of Chicago perhaps where even $50K won't last long.

 

Because I really do believe in Capitalism within any form of Socialism.

 

100,000 (6 figure) range - not 100,000 flat. Probably in the upper end of the 6 figure range.

I pity you - my previous car cost about $1,300 and lasted more than 3 years (with a little maintenance by my own hand). With the money I saved vs your payments, I could buy car $20,000+ a straight off the lot in cash.

Not even counting in how much I saved with liability only insurance (vs your mandated full coverage, I'm assuming). In 3 years I'd venture that's about another $5 grand (more than 5X what I spent on the junker itself)

If it matters to you, that's your problem - doesn't matter to me, or to anyone with any real "game". My money's just an asset to my skills - if you have to use it as a substitute for skill, it'll never fit. Give a 30 year old virgin who spends 8 hours a day playing World of Warcraft at his mom's house a million bucks, and he's not gonna suddenly have hordes of fine women lining up to date him (other than the ones who are tired and true golddigers).

That wouldn't be me - since I could be a 'male gold digger' (they're called gigolos) anytime I wanted to - but that's not how I roll

Then you're just affirming your irrelevance to anything in the OP, lol

 

Isn't Capitalism wonderful, when we have enough capital.

 

Well in 3 years of owning my previous junker car, the most I spent for any one repair (changing the fuel pump by hand) was about $80 for the part itself - even if I'd taken it to the shop I'd have paid just $500 - which is less than the dude above pays per month in car payments (not even counting his full coverage auto insurance). So do the math

But that aside, I thought the premise of this thread was pretty obvious - since there is a subsection of guys in this generation whining that they 'can't get laid' because they aren't rich - when really it's just because they're whiners and no one wants a whiner - thought it was pretty obvious that the premise wasn't "why do you need to have a job?" - but apparently that went over a few scrubs heads - so I've been having fun with them in the meantime

The sad part is there seem to be a few posters here who think the only reason their wife/girlfriend is with them is because they have a paycheck - if that's true then I wonder what will happen if one day they're injured on the job, and become disabled - or if one day their wife meets some spoiled young rich guy with a slightly bigger bank account?

 

No financialy responsiblity is, the 'size of one's wallet' isn't, unless you're desiring to be valued for money alone

Neither of which scenarios are applicable to this topic.

At this point I'm just repeating myself here. "Money", as in the size of your paycheck, isn't particularly relevant to your level of attraction - financial responsibility is, but that's an unrelated topic.

If you think that 'looks' are remotely important when it comes to attracting women, then I think I need to take you back to grade school here.

I'm not understanding what this has to do with this topic - it's like your going off on your own tangent here and didn't read anything in this thread.

That'd be dependent on the circumstance - again 'money' in isn't important. The aveage person shouldn't have any trouble moving out of mommy's house if they're responsible, and hold down a job, save money, etc

However character is ultimately more important for a serious relationship, than the size of a wallet- for example, a blind man, or a man who was injured on the job (ex. an injured combat vet) and can no longer work might be confined to living with a relative, and not have much/any income - however if he were to demonstrate character nonetheless and do the best he can with what little he's got - he could still appeal to a real woman (much more so than some spoiled rich kid who's never had to work and has a million dollars in his bank account).

If the 'size' of a person's income (not their personal responsibility) is more important, then by that standard - an injured combat veteran who can no longer work, would no longer be of any use to his wife or kids - and it would be 'logical' of her to dump him and move in with the neighborhood drug dealer, or the spoiled rich kid down the street who's never had to work in his life, just because both of them have 'more money' in their bank account

 

Why do you believe many women who don't charge for sex, are unwilling to simply fornicate us guys into relationships for free, whenever they find us in between girlfriends, under any form of capitalism?

 

dear lord, tell me what respectful woman is gonna be with a man for the rest of her life that has to depend on food stamps, doesnt want to work and has no money?

in reality everything i said applies to long relationships and keeping it going, this isnt a fairytale world where you find the one you love and everything falls in your lap like in a romantic comedy.

financial stability is a very important issue with carrying on a strong relationship. what about that dont you understand? a woman isnt going to want to be with a man who can barely afford the dollar menu, im sorry if reality hurts your feelings.

 

It'd depend on why he'd have to depend on food stamps. If for example he was wheelchair bound and unable to find work due to his disability, he could easily find a woman, if he was making the best effort he could with what resources he had.

None that I know of

That would depend on the reason - ex. if said individual is just lazy and unwilling to work, then not many. If said individual, was say a former Green Beret who lost his legs in Afganistan, and can no longer serve (or find a job), then if he had a real woman, she wouldn't use that as an excuse to discard him.

I'm not sure how that relates to what I said.

The fairytale is average guys who have bad luck in relationships aren't failing just because "women only go for rich guys" - they're failing based on some personal character - who are the subject of this thread - if you don't fit said critera, then this thread doesn't apply to you.

Since that's what I've been saying, I fail to see

Again that would depend on the reason - if you're referring to someone who simply doesn't work because they don't want to - then that's such a no-brainer there's no point in you even mentioning it. You might as well be saying "grass is green" and "cows go moo".

As mentioned above though, in a long term relationship, there'd be some leeway given if a person came on hard circumstances. Are you saying that you believe if one day you were injured on the job, and couldn't work again - that your wife would just dump you and move in with the neighbor since you were no longer of any financial use to her (and you'd be totally accepting of this, since statistically he was a better source of income?)

Reality doesn't hurt mine, since I've had women turn down men making $6 figure salarys for me, despite my comparatively modest income - if it hurts yours, then I'm sorry for you. Though statistically, there'd have been no reason to pick me, if the 'size of a paycheck' was the only criterion.

I might as well be talking to myself, since it's been spelled out in child's terms for numerous people, and still going over their heads.

 

The primary reason for most divorce is financial.
It is never because someone has "too much" money.

If love is the tie that binds couples together, money..or the lack of it, is the wrench that tears them apart.

You take whatever you want from that, but this is the statistical reality....it's not just personal cynicism.

There's a real reason to be cynical.

We'd like to think love transcends all...the reality is...more often than not...it doesn't.

Why be shocked over this?

This is the secular World, and perhaps the sooner you understand that money makes it go around, the sooner you will lose any expectations it can be transcended.

 

your problem is you are thinking i said you had to be rich to have a good relationship, i have never mentioned the word rich in any on the posts on here. I am not rich, i dont make 6 figures by a long shot either but i have a strong relationship. where you got me saying you had to be rich to have a long standing relationship is beyond me, i say you were seeing way too much out of my post so much that you were hallucinating about things that were not in it.

financial stability does not mean rich and thats all i have explained or implied . are you just wanting a reason to argue or did you jst mistake my posts for something else?

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exactly, at least someone understands what the hell i have been saying lol.

 

Fair enough, I guess we're not on the same page. I'm obviously agreeing with you about financial responsiblity

 

yeah we are on the same page, perhaps i could have used better wording. cheers!!!!

 

Because we won the Cold War on a platform of getting what we pay for under any form of Capitalism, instead of the best things in life are free under some forms of socialism.

 

idk about that...i've heard of at least one guy that got divorced out of the blue then "found" a winning lottery ticket from way back when he was married.

yeah, he got $ued.

 

What drug loser kind of logic is this? Why do you assume men think they need money to attract women? Maybe they want money so they arent constrained to be cheap all the time. Maybe they dont like living within limits. Maybe they see money as proof of their success and hard work. Maybe they want to have a family and a successful marriage and they are well aware that financial disputes are the number one cause for failed marriages.

Secondly, everyone needs money. Money gives you the ability to meet your basic needs. I would consider a broke male more of a failure than a wealthy male. "Real men dont need money." BS. Real men bring home the bacon, bacon is usually bought with money. therefore real man brings home money so he can bring home bacon. Real men dont want money so they can be attractive. Real men want money so we can live the life we choose without being constrained. Us real men like to be able to actually take women out on lavish dates they will always remember instead of being a broke ass loser that just talks about it.

 

I am in it for the better customer service, under Any form of Capitalism but not truer forms of socialism.

 

The realities of courtship and relationships have changed dramatically as females became more integrated into the "Mans" world of finance and employment. This has allowed males to drop the pretense of "Bread Winner" and focus more on aspects of courtship previously held by women. The physically attractive male has become a commodity in much the same way beautiful women are....and this has become a far more important feature of men than it was even 30 yrs. ago.

A rich, fat and ugly man is less likely to attract women than an attractive and intelligent pauper. Though this has always been the case to an extent...it is significantly more pronounced in todays world.

 

I need money because I don't believe in the moral turpitude of having to bear false witness to chics for sex.

 

That's what I thought when I read your post (among others)

In this day and age, sadly many men actually do (including many on the forum whining about 'golddigers') - it's even being used in as a marketing strategy in 'penis pill' commercials (ex. they literally have commercials where they get some attractive female to say something like "if you're not rich, then if you want to be with me you need a bigger d-"

- some guys actually believe this is their problem, not that they're just a geek.

Said guys I'm referring to have little money to speak of, hence they use it as their 'excuse'

If that's how they see it, they should aspire to actually achieve it rather than whine that money's the sole reason they 'have problems with women', lol

And grass is green - thank you captain obvious

Cows go moo

No one's talking about a 'broke male' - please take your idiosyncratic thread derailment elsewhere, or simply don't reply if you're unable to grasp the actual topic despite it having been spelled out in 3rd grade speak surmounts times to numerous other scrubs, hence my growing impatience.

Real men don't need money - money and financial stability comes naturally with their manhood. Give a broke 30 year old loser a winning lottery ticket, and he's not going to automatically going to be less of a loser just because he has a few mil in his bank account.

BS Pigs go oink

And... clouds are white - wow you think?

Having the 'money to buy bacon' isn't what most people refer to when they refer to "having big money" - that'd typically refer to living a rich or extravagant lifestyle. If an 'average joe' laments his luck with women, and thinks it's because 'he can't buy a lamborghini' - well that's not really his problem. Financial stability is more important to being attractive to women, than simply "having enormous amounts of money".

Finally you actually said something that wasn't entirely braindead - real men don't - however fake men (the subject of this thread), do want it for that reason.

Let's see - grass is green, cows goo moo, clouds are white - what other captain obvious statement can I add?

If you have to point it out, it can't be that obvious - real men don't need to 'point out that they are such' - people see it naturally. You're clearly a tryhard.

Lavish dates are nice, but trust me junior, if hypothetically I was injured on the job right now, and weelchairbound, and never able to work again - I could take a woman on a 'date' to McDonald's - and they'd still remember me way more than they'd remember you, or Sheldon Cooper, took her to the Taj Mahal.

That's why I'm content having the money i need (despite not being 'rich'), but not deluded into thinking that 'having money' is the reason why I'm a man - and yes, I'd hate to have to take a woman to one of your venues.

 

That pretty much sums it up - thanks, maybe that'll help the scubs here who keep arguing a strawman lol