Why don't Pro-"lifers" Treat Abortion as Murder?

You know that is photoshoped, right? Why is there a patch of lightness on her hat during the night? Was the sun still up?

You pro-"lifers" will believe in anything.

 

It's not our fault that you can not discern a sourcing of fact from an ad hominem attack.

She said and wrote what she said.

She spoke before the KKK and was well received by them.

There are many videos of her in interviews.

And the evidence which speaks to her character (and the founding of Planned Parenthood) is available for all to see.

"Margaret Sanger believed that the only way to change the law was to break it. " ~ PBS

Maybe we pro-lifers and anti-aborts should adopt the same attitude.

Oh wait,... some already have.

 

It's funny that any and all damning images against your cause is always photo-shopped.

Funny in a very sad way.... since you don't actually deny that she did in fact speak before the KKK and was well received by them.

 

How is this not photoshoped? Just compare the quality of the pixels between Sanger and the klans men. Now, compare the contrast between them and the lighting sources.

Don't you feel tad bit silly for thinking the photo was real? I am disappointed in you, CL, I really thought you could do better than this.

Just like you don't deny Sanger was involved in the civil rights movement with Martin Luther King Jr. I wouldn't deny that Sanger spoke at a few woman's klan meeting, which she did, where she was promoting the values of birth control to them.

 

Uh huh...

Is that what she meant when she said this before the U.S. Senate

“The main objectives of the [proposed] Population Congress is to…apply a stern and rigid policy of sterilization and segregation to that grade of population whose progeny is already tainted, or whose inheritance is such that objectionable traits may be transmitted to offspring.”

– Margaret Sanger, “Plan for Peace”, 1932 Senate hearing5

 

And how is this relevant? I'll never understand the fascination you pro-"lifers" have with her.

 

I have no fascination with her.

In 20 years of debating abortion, this is the most time I have ever spent on 'her.'

But let's not pretend that she (or her intentions) were anything more or less than what they actually were.

 

She did not promote compulsory sterilization.

http://www.nyu.edu/projects/sanger/webedition/app/documents/show.php?sangerDoc=239501.xml

The program in this country at least, does not involve compulsory features. No one here proposes that some official be endowed with the authority to order anyone to be sterilized. What we do contend for is the right of the individual to know what sterilization would mean to him or her, to have the facilities for: the operation if desired and to be protected in life afterwards.

 

Funny that when the same items are used in comparisons to pro-life, we hear the "whining by idiots who want to deny those similarities"

One of the main founding objectives of the Nazi's was to remove the individual rights of specific people
One of the main founding objectives of pro-life is to remove the individual rights of specific people

The Nazis mainly targeted a specific group of people, the Jews
Pro-life mainly targets a specific group of people, women

Nazi's wanted to control the reproduction rights of people
Pro-life want to control the reproduction rights of people

The Nazi's imprisoned or killed any of those subverted people who disobeyed them
pro-life want to imprison or kill (death penalty) any of those subverted people who disobey them

The Nazi's imposed their views by imposing laws
Pro-life want to impose their views by imposing laws

The problem with the pro-life insistent usage of comparing abortion to the holocaust is that it can be just as easily used to compare them with it as well, along with the blatant disregard for those that died and lived through it.

I realize that pro-lifers are desperate to use any methods to make their views seem like "the right way", it is just such a shame that they use one of the worst episodes in human history as mere propaganda .. and you wonder why pro-choicers fight you so hard.

Yeah, Yeah you are so noble, so noble in fact that you don't give a flying (*)(*)(*)(*) for anybody you trample over in pursuit of your "utopia", for what, so you can pat yourself on the back, say how wonderful you are and claim that the good old US of A is such a moral country .. while the remnants of your moral crusade gather in the gutter, but hey why should you care, they deserve it, they (*)(*)(*)(*)ed around and tried to "kill a baby", so what ever happens to them is their own fault .. so "moral" of you.

Now you can post about the emotional appeal of my comments, you know what I really couldn't give a (*)(*)(*)(*).

That is what you say, and to start with that is how it appeared .. but your recent comments show much more about your true intentions and they are no different from any other pro-lifer, in fact some of them are better than you, at least they are "in your face" about their beliefs, you on the other hand are like the conman .. seeming to be honest and respectful, but then robs you blind.

 

she also said and wrote a lot of things against abortion, funny how pro-lifers forget to mention them.

and what did she say to them, was it about stopping blacks from breeding, was it about the best way to hang them .. no, it was about birth control, perhaps you should watch and listen to the following - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Fj-E-Yk78M
but you won't as it would shred your "evidence" and show it for what it really is .. BS

You do realize that your own link blows the assertion that Sanger was pro-abortion completely to pieces, perhaps you should read the whole thing before you cherry pick the bits that best fit your illusion

Everything she witnessed in Lower East Side is exactly what you want to return to.

Perhaps you should, instead of the under-hand, lying tactics currently employed .. at least then some of you could be locked away.

 

I think we can agree that people (who are interested) should study "Sanger in her Own Words."

As for myself?

I don't find her all that interesting - aside from the fact that she still has so many defenders.

 

Also would point out how fast ALL the "pro-lifers" want to get away from the original topic.


Seems "It'll just work, is all." doesn't quite explain everything, does it?

 

I have no idea why anyone would fake an image and then offer it as proof of a historic fact.

It is not denied by the pro-aborts here in this thread - that Sanger spoke at at least one Klan meeting.

The picture (which I agree now is fake) - depicts nothing more than what we know to be true.

Still, I was wrong to claim that picture is proof and I'll own that.

Sanger still met with the Klan and shared many of their concerns and tendencies for a eugenics movement.

Beyond that.... the pro-aborts still seem to think they can defeat our arguments by discrediting myself or pro-lifers in general.

I ask my fellow anti-aborts to not get caught up in it.

It is only their way of diverting attentions away from the real points of the debate.

1. When a child's life begins
2. What their rights are as human beings
3. What the Constitution says
4. What do we need to do - to change the laws to secure and to protect their rights.

Nothing else (personally) matters more than that.

 

It is denied by me. She spoke at a Klan auxiliary meeting, a group of Klan wives, not the same as a "KKK meeting." She spoke about birth control, not eugenics. The wives of Klan members had the same need for information about birth control as anyone else .

The picture is a lie.

Thank you.

False.

Why don't you ask them to be careful that their links and photos are credible?

Incredible! You are the one who posted a fake photo of Margaret Sanger! If you post something that I know to be fake, I will expose it every time.

 

and here we have the person who consistently accuse us of never conceding even the slightest point, who has been caught out pushing a lie, who has stated that they have been involved with abortion debates for 20 years, who now says they didn't know this picture was fake, and won't even concede that their whole premise on Sanger meeting the KKK wives is nothing but a lie .. then attempts to garner support from others to white-wash over the BS posted by himself

and you really expect any of us to take your seriously or with any credence ... dream on.

 

For the umteenth time, it's not about the messenger.

And for the record, I don't find anyone who would deny basic human rights to a prenatal child very credible either.

But I try to get past that.

 

for the umteenth time tell that to your anti-choice buddies.

and for the record, I don't find anyone who would deny basic human rights to a woman very credible either.

Yeah right

Just as an add on, like you I came to this forum with the view to put across what I have found through research, I was met by two members, one is no longer here (they were banned) the other a certain Christian .. their first comments back to me were along the lines of;

"murderer" & "baby killer", one of them even suggest I should go and kill myself, when you are met with those types of comments it tends to taint your respect for the opposition.

The fact that you keep posting denial on anything that goes against your opinion only serves to add credence to the fact that you (singular) are only interested in hearing your own voice .. is that you "getting past it"

 

You think abortions a 'woman's right' and I obviously don't.

I think an abortion violates a child's rights and obviously you don't.

Only one of our views directly results in a dead body.

They should have been banned for that.

I would expect to be banned for that - if it were me.

That's funny because I used to be "pro-choice" on abortion - myself.

 

This has got to be the biggest circle jerk of stupidity I think I've ever seen on this forum. Retroactively arresting people for something that they did that was LEGAL...Really??? This is the best you can come up with???

I do feel that if a woman has an abotion when it is illegal that her and the doc should be charged with 1st degree murder, life imprisonment, no parole...then we'll see how quickly the murder of innocent children in the womb comes to a screeching halt.

 

Are you sure you wouldn't want to just stone them?

 

Well that would save the taxpayers a few bucks in the long run...Hmmmm

 

Exactly. Except some kind of provision will have to be made for her existing children. And there's the additional cost for all of the new innocent children that are born to poor women.

 

theres plenty of loving foster / adopting parents out there...I'm one of them, 3 of my 4 foster children where slated to be aborted and would not be here today if not for the work of our pro life ministry, and it looks like we'll be getting another one probably sometime in Dec.

 

Have you ever read her writings or accurate historical accounts or you just rely on talking points of dishonest pro-life sites, because you like to post facts and debate with integrity?

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Please Sam, we already have ample demonstrations of ignorance, there is hardly a need to add to that.

 

Yea and now AGAIN we have proof of your integrity and knowledge.