Why Has Election Day Turned Into Election Month?

https://thefederalist.com/2023/07/10/why-has-election-day-turned-into-election-month/

Great article discussing lawsuits related to mail in ballots.

If you can't mail your ballot in and have it received by election day then you should be required to vote in person. This is a level of accommodation that undermines the faith in the integrity of the election process.

Seems pretty cut and dried. I believe this lawsuit will prevail. States that do nothing but mail in ballots will need to make sure they are received and counted on election day. This needs to be the norm and also is what was intended in the federal law.

 

Voting a month before Election Day is stupid and possibly dangerous. Most voters don’t follow the news until Labor Day, and it’s hard to catch up in a very short period of time.

Look at the last Senate race in Pennsylvania. How many people, who voted in late September, knew that Fitterman was mentally incompetent? Did people, other than Democrats, really want to vote for a guy who looked and acted like Frankenstein’s monster?

 

I'm sure it's because they're securing the elections to a high standard

 

Why? Because the elitist globalist status quo can't win free and fair elections.

 

It sounds like you're upset at the notion that people can vote before the (R)adicals and their Russian allies can launch 11th-hour misinformation bombs meant to harm Democratic candidates.

People have their reasons for voting early. It's important -- for everyone -- that as many eligible voters as possible are able to vote. It's certainly not dangerous.

 

Why not extend it out to 6 months after the election? Why not stop counting ballots on election Day.

Sounds like you want more time for crooked Democrats to tamper with the results.

 

It takes longer than a day to count that many votes. It sounds like you want them to stop counting whenever your (R)adical doofus of choice happens to have a majority of the count.

 

It sounds like you have a creative imagination

 

Very bizarre that the article sites Florida and it's ability to call votes the very next day after elections, while arguing that elections should be on only one day:
One of the reasons that Florida could call all the elections so fast is that they start counting mail in votes as they arrive UP TO 22 DAYS BEFORE ELECTION DAY!!! So a success story in tabulating the day after the elections is mostly so only because they start tabulating well before Election Day. Which by the way seems way more rife for fraud (ie you know the deficit before Election Day) as those results are supposed to be kept secret.
The other problem is that Florida is being held up as a great example because it was able to "call" elections the very next day. Florida was not "calling" these elections, the AP and other press were. That is because EVERY election in Florida was a blow out one way or the other (the closest congressional district was 5 points). So it was safe to call the election even before the final count was known.
Living abroad, I for one, am glad that they count the postmark rather than the day: I was denied my vote in 2004 because I received my ballot AFTER the elections. Allowing some time to make up for postal snafus seems normal.
As we progress in the digital era, I could easily see them reducing the time post election. We are not there yet....

 

Most of crooked stuff that happens after the election is perpetrated by Democrats. The trust factor for fair and honest elections is fading very fast.

 

Please explain to me a post election shenanigan that was allegedly used by democrats that couldn't have been also exploited by republicans?
In 2022, when I went to bed on election night, Boebert was trailing her opponent by over a thousand votes. The next day the AP declared her the winner. A few days later she was declared the winner by less than 600 votes. You know why, because we have statistics.
So the dems could have all cried about ballot stuffing, but they knew that the areas that had not yet tabulated the votes would be going to Boebert. The democratic candidate even tried to cancel the recount, knowing that it would not change the result and only cost tax payers money.
So once again, what is this magical post Election Day mechanism that democrats have to turn elections that republicans don't?

Mark my words here: in 2024 there will be an unprecedented amount of arrests for voting irregularities of republicans trying to "compensate" for alleged democratic malfeasance.

 

No it doesn't. Florida is the 2nd most populous state (behind Texas... I don't consider California to be a state anymore), and Florida quickly counted their votes on what was supposed to be election night just fine. Any other state could do the same if they wanted to.

Projection. That's what YOU want, and what YOUR party that YOU cheerlead for did in 2020 because they didn't have enough ballots in the bank for Biden and needed more time to manufacture them. All of the "swing states" were VEEEEEERY close, and all of them juuuuuuuust barelyyyyyyy happened to have Biden "win" them.... hmmmmmmm.... But yeah, that was the "safest, most secure election ever". hahahahahahahahaha

 

With early voting in most states, you do have election month instead of election day. I do believe that early voting should be limited to no more than 3 weeks prior to election day. We’ve had several states who had early voting taking place prior to the first presidential debate. But since early voting involves voting in person at an early voting polling place, I don’t have much of a problem with it.


As for mail in ballots, they should be required to be received prior to election day. Not after and not on election day as that day is when the counting of ballots begins after the polls close. I also am against ballot harvesting. Either mail in your ballot or drop it off in person. This idea of going door to door to collect ballots is asinine in my point of view. If the voter thinks voting is important enough, the voter can either mail in his own ballot or drop it off in person or vote at one of the early voting locations or in person on election day at his assigned polling place. If the voter doesn’t mail in his ballot or drop it off in person, then voting isn’t that important to him.

 

1) Let me educate you again: Florida called races early because they start counting absentee ballots 22 DAYS BEFORE ELECTION DAY!!! meaning they have much less to count on Election Day.
2) So your proof that elections are corrupt is that the few extra days after the election to count all ballots (mail in ballots specifically) gives the wily democrats time to add extra ballots now that they know the target number. By that logic doesn't that make Florida exxxxxxxxtra suspicious? Republicans had 22 days to fabricate the votes they needed!!! It was after all the 7th closest race in the election.So obviously you guys manufactured 300000 votes right? (doesn't sound crazy by the way: after all many of you here claim that democrats created over 7 000 000 fraudulent votes in the last election.
3) Asking again, by your logic: did Boebert cheat? After all she was behind in her election by 1000 votes on election night, and by the next day was up by 500.

 

This assumes that you've educated me some time before (which has never happened).

Ergo, they were able to count their ballots on what was supposed to be election night (and provide results within the same night, which is what had happened in the past before the "mail-in vote" cheat scheme). There's no excuse as to why all other States/Oligarchies/Dictatorships can't accomplish the same.

It's one of many evidences. I've gone through them ad nauseum at the time it happened. You ignored my point that ALL the "toss up states" ALL juuuuuuuuuuuust barelyyyyyyyyy "went for Biden". Every. single. one. of. them. ... by extremely slim razor thin margins in most cases.

Boebert barely survived election theft. She might not survive it next time. Who knows.

 

Why Has Election Day Turned Into Election Month?

It provides additional time to screw things up?

 

Ah OK. So if a democrat wins a close race it is sure proof that they stole the election. And if a republican wins a close race it is sure proof that democrats didn't cheat enough?
So in 2016 when Trump barrrrelllllly won 3 of the 4 closest races that was proof that the democrats didn't quite have their apparatus up and running?

Now in all seriousness, please explain to me what it is that democrats do to steal elections that republicans can not do? What mechanism are they using? Use the Boebert race if you want. Talk me through it.

Still not sure why counting a few days past the election is unamaerican and disgusting, but counting votes three weeks before the election is just groovy.

 

You're still not listening to what I said (purposely ignoring the key part). It's not about "a close race". Try again.

What do you mean "3 of 4"? Democrats narrowly won Nevada, Minnesota, New Hampshire, and Maine ... Republicans narrowly won Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Florida. That's 4 of 8, or half and half.

However, in 2020, Democrats "narrowly" "won": Nevada, Arizona, Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Georgia ... Republicans narrowly won: North Carolina (only narrow because Dems tried and failed to steal that one via mail vote fraud, as they stole the others).

It's not something that Republicans "cannot do" (in fact, I suspect the RINOs in the party use the same tactics themselves), but part of it involved temporarily changing voter roll information to undeliverable addresses/zip codes (to gather and harvest those mail ballots). Part of it involved suppressing the vote by having many election machines be down on election day (when Republican turnout was expected to be heavy). Part of it involved poll watchers being unable to properly do their jobs due to "COVID regulations". Part of it involved ignoring state election laws.

I don't like either one.

 

Thanks for your reply. Must admit that this is the first time I have heard of the changing voter information theory. And a cursory google search did not reveal anything. Will gladly look at anything you provide, but considering the ever changing theories by the right (watermark ballots, ballots from china, special ink, ballot stuffing, overseas ballots, machines switching votes etc...)I am not going to waste anymore time debunking yet another conspiracy theory. But as I said, happy to look at any info you can provide.
The machines being purposefully down just makes no sense. While it is of course a black eye to Maricopa county, I will remind you that the Maricopa county board was 100% republican. The machines that were down were down in democratic and republican areas. And why would democrats tamper with machines in a toss up county? Why not affect the machines in heavy republican areas (since they somehow seem to have this magical power)? While there obviously were some delays at some polling stations, which is a problem, they seemed to be no worse off than the many elections over the years (especially those in minority areas over the decades that were very underserved, and quite obviously targeted through legal but really scummy reasons. The right's rejoinder was always "if you can't stand in line for a couple of hours to vote, maybe you don't deserve to vote")
As for the ignoring state law, it is true that notably in Pennsylvania the voting laws were changed by a completely bipartisan congress to facilitate mail in voting. This was later deemed unconstitutional. The result of this law is that it made it easier to vote by mail. I know republicans hate it when it is easier to vote, but I don't see how this changes the outcome of the election in a nefarious way. Little old ladies who feared for their health by voting in person now could mail in their ballots easily. I understand not liking it on the legal principal, but republicans voted on this as did democrats and most people agreed that this was the right call for the upcoming elections during covid.
Poll watchers are an important part to the voting process, there were a few minor issues in a few polling stations that were grossly exaggerated by the right. Not sure what you were expecting them to catch, since your theory is that democrats, and only democrats since I guess republicans are too honest or dumb to know how to manipulate the system while leaving no trace, changed addresses of voters, harvested the ballots, filled them in and then sent them by mail to be counted on Election Day. Thus the poll watcher would only be observing a 'legal' vote come in by mail. Still, any poll watcher turned away is one too many (there was 1 guy that that happened to). Trump just flat out lied about most of the incidences https://www.cbsnews.com/news/fact-check-trumps-claims-poll-watchers/

I will grant you that at least your theory is somewhat cogent and not all over the place, but it relies solely on this changing info temporarily and then harvesting ballots, which I would guess would be incredibly hard to pull off and of which I have not heard a word of up until now ( I don(t think a single major player has brought that theory forward, though I could be mistaken) . With a bit of selective machine tampering which also seems to defy probability (and frankly sense).

 

Pretty sure Article I Section 4 leaves it up to the states as to that whole "manner" thing.

 

I agree that some of those theories (especially the watermark and special ink ones) were just plain stupid. Conservatives can say stupid **** all the same as liberals can. As for providing 'links' or 'google results', I as a rule don't participate in "holy link wars" (because that's what link sharing almost always becomes). "GATEWAY PUNDIT?!?!?! HAHAHAHAHAHA" "CNN?!?!?!?! HAHAHAHAHA" and etc... so I stick to forming my own arguments and ideas instead of appealing to the thoughts of others.

I think that the machines being down was done with purposeful intent and faulted what was supposed to be the 2022 elections in Arizona. There is NO excuse for that many machines being down, all on "election day", especially since they are supposed to be tested and operational before "election day". Those Republicans on the county board are all crooks and should all be ousted from their positions. Such "professionally Republican" politicians are 'the enemy' just as much as "professionally Democrat" politicians are. Those corrupt 'professionally Republican' types hated the MAGA candidates who the people of Arizona chose to represent them, so they cheated those candidates out of their races in order to retain the corrupt status-quo.

There is no "Republican vs Democrat"... it is merely an elitist illusion of choice. Without MAGA, there is no organized opposition against "the elites".

Correct. However, and don't forget this fact, those machines were all down on "election DAY". Which group of voters tend to vote on "election DAY" in much heavier numbers? That would be conservatives... Many liberals already casted their votes before "election day", so much fewer liberals were affected by the machines being down.

Why would ANYONE tamper with machines in a toss up county? Because the RNC/DNC elites were scared shitless that the people of Arizona actually chose a full slate of MAGA candidates to represent them, so they had to stop them from actually getting elected and altering their corrupt status quo.

IOW, you're mistakenly viewing this issue from a "Republican vs Democrat" perspective instead of a "MAGA vs Republicans AND Democrats" perspective.

Because there's one county with a boatload of AZ's population that already has corrupt officials in positions of power/influence.

It was a much bigger issue than "some delays at some polling stations".

Here in WI, a plethora of state election laws were ignored. It most definitely faulted what were supposed to be elections (in both 2020 and 2022).

Nah... I just hate it when it is easier to commit election fraud. I want legitimate elections.

... and election fraudsters could also now temporarily change zip codes on voter rolls, gather up a bunch of "undeliverable" mail-in ballots, and commit election fraud. There needs to be a healthy balance between having more options/accessibility and having secure/legitimate elections.

Once again, I'd like to highlight our difference in baselines. You are coming from a "Republican vs Democrat" perspective while I am coming from a "MAGA vs Republican AND Democrat" perspective. Aka, a "MAGA vs Uniparty" perspective.

So, OF COURSE Republicans (the RINOs, anyway) voted on it as did Democrats... When it comes down to it, Republicans and Democrats are both wholly owned subsidiaries of globalist Uniparty elites... who utterly despise We The People as "useless eaters".

 

Interesting read. Thanks. I appreciate your perspective even if I do not agree with it.
I am going to need more precisions on the voting scheme as you see it. After all this is the only thing that actually changes votes from one candidate to another. All the rest is legal issues and inconveniences (there is no way someone could calculate how many republican votes would be lost by slowing down the voting process with defective machines. Do you realise how many voter would have to be turned away for this to impact the final tally (on the assumption that 60% of those who went home were MAGA voters and 40 % dems)
As I understand what you are saying, the voter rolls were tampered with and incorrect zip codes were entered. The ballots were then sent out. When they were undeliverable, they were sent back (or alternatively they entered a PO Box or some such place where they were picked up). The ballots were then collected by officials on the take who filled them out and deposited them at drop boxes, polling stations or sent them by mail. And then the voter roll was tampered with again to reenter the correct address.
Now, other than the fact that this requires such a massive amount of collusion it defies plausibility, the big problem is that the voters who never received their ballots could go in person, or request a ballot. This would lead to double voting. There would be a slew of double voters out there that would raise all sorts of red flags.
May I suggest at least a more plausible scenario: no faking of addresses. Just send all the ballots out. Most states are notoriously bad at keeping their voter rolls up to date (even more so as republican states are opting out of ERIC the voter roll data base). All the returned ballots that never reached the legitimate person at that address because they have in fact moved out of state for example can more safely be harvested, as there is a good chance that person will not be voting in the election. This of course still requires all the county clerks to be in on the scheme, which really defies credibility (you don't think there are Trump supporters in local government?)
Anywho. Really want to hear the details you have come up with, as I am mostly surmising from your post and could be wrong about how I am interpreting your theory
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Cheers

 

It wouldn't have to be all that many, and the proportions would likely be even more towards conservative votes.

I think you have a good enough understanding of the process.

I don't think it requires as much collusion as you're thinking it does. Corrupt people in a few key positions can go a long way.

It doesn't get to the point of "double voters". I'd suggest that such tampering is directed towards the "bloat" on the voter rolls. This is the type of scenario that happens in this case:

(voter walks into voting place on (s)election day to cast a vote)

"Hi, I'd like to receive a ballot to vote.

"Sorry sir/ma'am, but you've already received a ballot.

"No I haven't.

"You voted by mail".

"No I didn't."

"Sucks to be you."

This happens as well. It's not just a "one method" sort of thing... MANY methods are used. --- ERIC is corrupt too btw, but yes, many voter rolls are out of date and have massive "bloat" on them... that's a big part of how such election fraud can and does happen.

It doesn't require "all the county clerks"... All that's needed are a couple of key populous leftist counties. In WI, for example, all it takes is for corrupt clerks in Dane and Milwaukee Counties... How many Trump supporters do you think are county clerks in those two heavily liberal counties?

Even the counties which are conservative tend to have corrupt Republicans in positions of power. How do you think people like Mitch McConnell and Lindsay Graham keep getting "re-elected" even though a vast majority of voters (even conservatives) hate them? How do you think Robin Vos (WI assembly speaker) juuuuuuuust barelyyyyyyyy "won" the Republican primary for his seat even though he is overwhelmingly despised as a "useless RINO"? --- I'll admit that part of the problem (maybe even a majority of the problem in this specific case) is WI's open primary system (IOW, Democrats can vote for Vos in the primary).

But I really do believe that Republicans are just as corrupt as Democrats are... "different wings of the same Uniparty bird"... Regarding the RNC and DNC, there's only an illusion of choice (in which social issues/"culture wars" are used in order to feign the existence of choice). When it comes down to issues such as foreign relations (war mongering), trade (manufacturing jobs sent overseas for cheap labor, screwing over domestic manufacturing), and energy (carbon-based fuels BAD! ... "eat the bugs" GOOD!), both Republicans and Democrats are lock-step against the interests of We The People no matter how much kabuki theater they present to the populace.

 

Why?

It give Democrats plenty of time to create more ballots and steal every election in sight. That's why they want to pass a nation-wide election bill that will outlaw the election processes for the state that have gotten it right, like Georgia and Florida.

 

Hunh?!?
Trump holds up Florida as the perfect voting state and Georgia as having stolen him his nomination. I don't see how you can support both states in their voting processes. One or the other, not both.