According to Corbett and Hill (2012) "women a year out of college working full time earned on average 82% of what their male peers earned. After we control for hours, occupation, college major, employment sector and other factors associated with pay, the pay gap shrinks but does not disappear. About one third of the gap cannot be explained..." Men and women both a year out of college shouldn't be that different should they? It's not like either has a ton of experience which would give them salary advantages. On page 19 of Kahn (2010) there is a table comparing wage gaps for several countries. They define gender pay gap as "the ratio of median earnings of women divided by median earnings of men." The ratio for the US is .80 Using their definition of pay gap, I think a big part of the issue like I said above is that women are not hired or promoted to higher paying positions as much as men. That is going to have a big impact on the median salary. That to me is still a big part of this talk about gender equality as women should be represented in upper management positions more. Sources Corbett, C. and Hill, C. (2012). Graduating to a Pay Gap. AAUW. Retrieved 1/22/16, from files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/ED536572.pdf Kahn, L. (2010). Labor market policy: A comparative view on the costs and benefits of labor market flexibility. CESifo working paper Labour Markets, No. 3140. Retrieved 1/22/16, from www.econstor.eu/bitstream/10419/39054/1/633158038.pdf
Exactly. Women are sometimes even less wanting of getting promotion and more likely to be "Happy with what they have" than men. Another thing than one might argue is not fair is the biological fact of women being the ones who give birth. Therefore an employee is of course less likely to hire a woman between 25 and 35 than a man of the same age, because this is the age when the average woman gets pregnant and having lots of women leaving for parental leave at once would- of course- have devestating effects on the company. Unfair? Maybe. Misogynistic? Maybe. I hope employees always go for competence and also hope that the worker who manages to advance in their business is also the most driven and competent one. I do not care about gender at all in this aspect. Gender quotas or any other quota for that matter is just stupid and does not make any sense at all. I happen to belong to a "intersectionally inferior group" (Second gen immigrant). When I get a job I hope it is because of my competence and not because of my name and appearence.
A generalization. The second article I referenced also talked about how women are less successful at negotiation, which contributes to wage gap as they don't get raises as often. Not just unfair and misogynistic, but illegal, at least in the US. I agree with you that it's always better to get a job based on credentials and merit. However there are some crappy employers who wouldn't even look at your credentials. Quotas are like babysitting for grown adults. If everyone was just fair about it they wouldn't be necessary. You are right that they are stupid, but that they were ever needed is even more stupid.
With the rare exception of men's right's activists who fight for legal and proper time with their children after a divorce....every other guy whining is PATHETIC and they all need some Dwarf to kick them in the balls...hard!!! AboveAlpha
Not to be one of "those", but maybe or maybe even probably, it is you and not the women. Ever crossed your mind?
People who call egalitarians misogynists are either too stupid to get the egalitarian arguments and/or they're sexist and racist. In your case I believe all three are applicable.
Promoting violence is against the terms of service of this sites hosting company, internet service provider, and also the the software this forum runs on, any one of which could shut this site down. Even though you're not accountable for your actions and choices as a feminist this site can still be held accountable for what you write.
Are these Feminists extremists??? one of which is a supreme court justice, another whos the editor of Ms. Magazine, a former congress women, an advisoress to Al Gores presidential campaign, Authors, and the feminist dictionary??? "All men are rapists and that's all they are" Marilyn French, Authoress; (later, advisoress to Al Gore's Presidential Campaign.) "I believe that women have a capacity for understanding and compassion which man structurally does not have, does not have it because he cannot have it. He's just incapable of it." Barbara Jordan; Former Congresswoman "Men are rapists, batterers, plunderers, killers; these same men are religious prophets, poets, heroes, figures of romance, adventure, accomplishment, figures ennobled by tragedy and defeat. Men have claimed the earth, called it 'Her'. Men ruin Her. Men have airplanes, guns, bombs, poisonous gases, weapons so perverse and deadly that they defy any authentically human imagination." Andrea Dworkin, "Pornography: Men Possessing Women" "As long as some men use physical force to subjugate females, all men need not. The knowledge that some men do suffices to threaten all women. He can beat or kill the woman he claims to love; he can rape women...he can sexually molest his daughters... THE VAST MAJORITY OF MEN IN THE WORLD DO ONE OR MORE OF THE ABOVE." Marilyn French "I feel that 'man-hating' is an honorable and viable political act, that the oppressed have a right to class-hatred against the class that is oppressing them." Robin Morgan, "Ms. Magazine" Editor "Under patriarchy, every woman's son is her potential betrayer and also the inevitable rapist or exploiter of another woman." Andrea Dworkin "All sex, even consensual sex between a married couple, is an act of violence perpetrated against a woman." Catherine MacKinnon "And if the professional rapist is to be separated from the average dominant heterosexual (male), it may be mainly a quantitative difference." Susan Griffin, "Rape: The All-American Crime" In a speech in Banff, Canada, Andrea Dworkin exhorted her audience to "stop men who beat women", "Get them jailed or get them killed. ... When the law fails us, we cannot fail each other." "Men, as a group, tend to be abusive, either verbally, sexually or emotionally. There are always the exceptions, but they are few and far between (I am married to one of them). There are different levels of violence and abuse and individual men buy into this system by varying degrees. But the male power structure always remains intact." Message on FEMISA, responding to a request for arguments that men are unnecessary for a child to grow into mature adulthood "Women have their faults. Men have only two: everything they say, and everything they do." graffiti frequently found on university campuses with active feminist movements From 'A feminist Dictionary', edited by Kramarae and Triechler, Pandora Press, 1985: MALE:...represents a variant of or deviation from the category of female. The first males were mutants...the male sex represents a degeneration and deformity of the female. MAN:...an obsolete life form... an ordinary creature who needs to be watched...a contradictory baby-man... TESTOSTERONE POISONING: ... 'Until now it has been though that the level of testosterone in men is normal simply because they have it. But if you consider how abnormal their behavior is, then you are led to the hypothesis that almost all men are suffering from "testosterone poisoning." Sonia Sotomayor: Supreme Court Justice "I would hope that a wise Latina woman with the richness of her experiences would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a white male who hasn't lived that life."
Men are much more likely to CHOOSE to study subjects at University like Physics (80% of physics graduates are male) and women are much more likely to CHOOSE less demanding majors, like early childhood education. Therefore, men tend to make more money than women when they garduate, and this is Men's fault??? That's not accountability. As an Egalitarian, I believe women should be just as accountable for the consequences of their actions and choices as men. As an Egalitarian, I believe that's equality. ....And it's not like women are being discriminated against in STEM. A paper by the National Academy of Sciences finding in experiments with professors from 371 colleges and universities across the United States found that science and engineering faculty preferred women two-to-one over identically qualified male candidates for assistant professor positions for Women on STEM Tenure Track. For decades, sexism in higher education has been blamed for blocking women from landing academic positions in STEM (science, technology, engineering and mathematics) fields. But a new study by Cornell psychologists suggests that era has ended, finding in experiments with professors from 371 colleges and universities across the United States that science and engineering faculty preferred women two-to-one over identically qualified male candidates for assistant professor positions. Published online April 13 in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, the paper, National Hiring Experiments Reveal 2:1 Faculty Preference For Women on STEM Tenure Track, by Wendy M. Williams, professor of human development, and Stephen J. Ceci, the Helen L. Carr Professor of Developmental Psychology, both in Cornells College of Human Ecology, argues that the academic job market has never been better for women Ph.D.s in math-intensive fields http://www.news.cornell.edu/stories/2015/04/women-preferred-21-over-men-stem-faculty-positions According to the Census Bureaus 2009 American Community Survey, women comprise 48 percent of the U.S. workforce but just 24 percent of workers in STEM fields. Half as many women are working in STEM jobs as would be expected if gender representation in STEM professions mirrored the overall workforce. This underrepresentation has remained fairly consistent over the past decade, even as womens share of the college-educated workforce has increased. Among STEM jobs, womens representation has varied over time. While the percentage of women has declined in computer and math jobs, their percentage has risen in other occupations. In 2009, women comprised 27 percent of the computer and math workforce (the largest of the four STEM components), a drop of 3 percentage points since 2000. Engineers are the second largest STEM occupational group, but only about one out of every seven engineers is female.[9] Men are much more likely than women to have a STEM career regardless of educational attainment. Beede, David, Tiffany Julian, David Langdon, George McKittrick, Beethika Khan, and Mark Doms. U.S. Department of Commerce Economics and Statistics Administrations. www.esa.doc.gov. "Women in STEM: A Gender Gap to Innovation", 2009.
I see that the feminists dark damion and alexander unov also liked your post and therefore support violence against peaceful passive people. Is promoting violence against peaceful passive people something an equality movement typically does or is promoting violence against peaceful passive people something more typical of a supremacist hate movement??? Below is a video of countles feminists sexually and physically assaulting peaceful people as thousands of other feminists cheer them on. Is sexually and physically assaualting peaceful passive people something an equality movement does, or something a supremacist hate movement does??? https://youtu.be/fOCD_T9Qqpc
As a man who is a Feminist, do you get to have your own opinions or are the only opinions you get to have the opinions of a woman who's a Feminist.
Congratulations...you're a man who's a feminist. Now maybe you'll get a reward, like a pat on the head and a, "good boy," from a woman.
Well, if you read my above post, I explain this. Very simply put, let me make an analogy to a 7 foot tall person and a 5 foot tall person. So, let's say that the 5 foot tall person wants to play basketball. He trains hard and eventually makes it to the Major Leagues. Now lets say that 7 foot tall person plays him in basketball. Surely, he will lose, despite his height advantage. This is essentially what explains women that are stronger than some men. However, if, from day 1, they both trained equally, then the 7 foot tall person will be able to use his advantage over the 5 foot tall person. Biologically, men simply are supposed to be stronger. What you are trying to do is say that men should be weaker and women should be stronger so that everyone becomes the same. Which is a folly. You see, men are simply better apt to due certain jobs than women. Women make very good managers, however, men make very good military-related occupations. And so, it would make sense that women be confined to jobs they are good at, and men to jobs they are good at. Its not necessarily that one has less worth than the other, its just that they are, indeed, different. Don't tell me that a black man and a white man are exactly the same, dont tell me that a man and a women are exactly the same. While they have the same worth, and one is not inferior to the other, they have qualities that make them better for certain tasks. I simply hate it when the Left tries to make people who are different the same by handicapping some people and giving an advantage to others. However, the Right never addresses this problem and states that some people are just better than others, but doesn't do anything to fix that. The Right would not say, confine men to some jobs and women to other, they would just say, everyone has a right to every job, whether they are paid more or less doesn't matter.
I agree with what you said about men are more likely to get STEM jobs which impacts the wage gap. You have to acknowledge though that men have 1) been allowed to participate in STEM fields longer than women and 2) are encouraged in STEM fields more than women. I do think there is progress in this area which will definitely help women get into STEM fields and therefore higher paying jobs, but there is still a long way to go. These opportunities have not been available to women for long, and girls are still conditioned from an early age that STEM fields are for boys. Some school districts do a better job than others at squashing that.
I got into an argument with some feminists, and I agreed to not not use chick (a baby chicken) as that gender based term.
Ummm.....not where I come from! LOL!!! Besides....many women would LOVE to be called a chick OR GIRL DEPENDENT UPON THEIR AGE. I would be flattered to be called a young man....granted...BOY....does not do the same for me. Although HUNK would be nice! AboveAlpha
