"Wife wasn't attracted to me after I came out as Trans"

I have faith. Just not the same faith you do.
I also can read the words written. God created all things. Good. Bad. Hetero. Homo. Etc.

No one can get eternal damnation in my faith. It's a christian fear thing.
No one wants eternal damnation. So that means it must not exist going by your last sentence.

But you're the one who is trying to make a claim that gays were not created by god.
That is abject nonsense. NO ONE chooses sexual orientation.
The god created them that way.

 

this is a thread about sex and sexual attraction.
God created those.
There's no reason to have a thread about something that someone has no control over due to being created that way.

 

He did not create them gay. Let it rest. You do you.

 

The reason I do have respect for you is that you did say you struggled with your decision. Tell you what. I too have a "thorn in my side". It is not pertinent here in this discussion but I will tell you I do fail occasionally. I haven't given in, nor do I embrace it. It is a struggle for me. God did not give me the desire. Others might tell me "oh that is harmless, it doesn't hurt anyone else" but I know it is an offense to God. I am no better than you. I WILL overcome through my faith God delivers. I'm not sure what you want to do. Discount scripture? Whatever. I wish you the best.

 

Of course Paul was referring to pre-marital sex between a man and a women. I know they haven't been shining examples but Catholic Priests have been given that edict. This notion that Apostle Paul and others taught homosexual behavior was a thing to be accepted in the early CHurch or even today is just unimaginable!

 

people may not say it but everyone does. There's nobody that's out that has gone through the process of coming out that things yay I get to be gay.

It's more along the lines of this is something about me I've tried and tried and tried to change it I can't.

I'm willing to be vulnerable.

I understand if it gives you comfort to think about it that way. But that doesn't help me.

This isn't an occasional failure it was from 11 years old to the day I die.

Again it may give you comfort to feel this way. I don't buy that being homosexual is an offense to God.

Well he didn't for me he left me to languish in pain and self hatred. If that's what your god wants it's not worth worshipping. That's hell.

Discount what people wish it to mean.

 

This is one of the strange blends of modern concepts and biblical tradition.

Paul wouldn't have said anything about premarital sex because there was no such thing.

If you had sex with a woman you married her marriage happens at consummation and that's what consummation is.

The concept that you had to go through some sort of civil proceeding that only really occurs in modern times does not apply to the Bible That's a modern concept.

I'm not sure Paul even existed I'm questioned whether or not he was just added into the Bible during the Nicene council to try and make Christianity more palatable to the people of Constantinople.

 

he did not say that, in fact he said only people with a problem should marry as it's good not to marry

 

Maybe it would help you think of it this way.

I'm a bachelor I live with another bachelor sometimes we kiss sometimes we embrace there's nothing wrong with any of that none of its sinful none of it's wrong.

You don't have to think about me having sex. You shouldn't be thinking about that anyway

 

This discussion has not been about you. It is about Evangelical Christians and the principles and precepts they believe to be true. You are gonna do what your gonna do so have at it!

 

Then you find me examples

Just write the whole thing off. I don't want to belabor the issue. You're gonna do what you do regardless of what it says.

 

I haven't much choice. I think one of the reasons for animosity toward Christians is their unwillingness to listen.

 

If you can't discuss faith with people that don't agree with you it's probably best not to bring it up.

I was just expressing my views on Paul. His story is a little odd.

 

Hilarious DISINGENUOUS ranting content noted above.

All religions fit the DEFINITION of CULTS and yes, lots of religious cults, like Quakers, came to America and BUILT this nation on their cultlike BELIEFS.

The 1st Amendment COVERS both religions and cults because there is no LIMIT to the EXTREMES of the BELIEFS that are UPHELD by the 1A. It is only when HARM occurs as a result of those BELIEFS that they EXCEED the protections of the 1A.

http://jur.byu.edu/?p=4386

This nation was FOUNDED on Freedom FROM Religion for a REASON.

That REASON was to STOP religious cults from OPPRESSING the FREEDOMS of others to BECOME themselves and PURSUE their own HAPPINESS.

Religious cult leaders DO rant and rave from pulpits about "satan" and "hell fire" about things they KNOW NOTHING about.

Jesus EMBRACED those MARGINALIZED by religious cults. The parable of the Adulterous woman applies here because when Jesus said let those WITHOUT sin throw the 1st stone he was EXPOSING the undeniable FACT that those wanting to throw stones were EQUALLY guilty of what she had been caught doing.

Jesus OPPOSED those who were OPPRESSING others just because they were "different". The parable of the Good Samaritan comes to mind. Crossing the street to AVOID those less fortunate and in need is NOT the act of those who profess to be xtians. Jesus would be there for transpeople because they are the ones in need of COMPASSION, KINDNESS and ACCEPTANCE.

Jesus TAUGHT love and acceptance whereas religious cults SPEW anger and HATRED towards those whose NORMAL does not fit the ARBITRARY and capricious RIGID "norms" that are used to OPPRESS and TORMENT others.

Transpeople are NORMAL.

That is REALITY.

The HILARIOUS part above was the UNINTENDED irony of the term HYPOCRISY. Claiming to have "higher standards" than some IMAGINARY "cult" while doing the EXACT opposite of what your own religion ALLEGEDLY claims to uphold is the epitome of hypocrisy.

Priceless!

 

Of course the problem with that sort of logic is who decides exactly what constitutes "harm".

I think your logic presumes that if a person can be convinced to do something to themselves, it does not count as "harm".
But even that logic kind of falls through, because special protections exist for younger people, as well as certain cases of people being in a vulnerable frame of mind.

 

You seem to be expressing a Libertarian ideology. But as we all know, progressives don't really seem to value Libertarian ideals. Only in certain areas, such as sexual liberation, which this issue certainly fits within.

As a Libertarian, I personally support your right to transform your body into a different gender (though I may not support your choice, and when it comes to teens I take a more reserved and cautious view). However, I can't help but see the irony that the same crowd who demands this personal choice nevertheless opposes it in a myriad of other analogous situations -- though they would never recognize those situations as analogous.

And then of course there are the ways that many progressives, and some trans people (a small but vocal minority) seem to want to impose their beliefs on others.
Leaving you "free to pursue your own happiness", for example, does not necessarily mean letting you into the women's bathroom.

 

WRONG again!

It was @yabberefugee who DERAILED your thread in #74 above.

That is WHO you SHOULD be calling out.

FACTS matter!

 

Disingenuous TWADDLE content noted above.

Studies show that Xtofascist OPPOSITION to trans teens obtaining HEALTHCARE results in them committing SUICIDE at HIGHER rates which is the ULTIMATE self harm.

But where is YOUR condemnation of those Xtofascists using their BELIEFS to CAUSE the ultimate HARM to minors?

Does the 1st Amendment COVER those Xtofascist BELIEFS that is CAUSING trans minors to commit SUICIDE?

Because that sure DOES look like that ODIOUS Xtofascist belief is KILLING kids IMO.

 

Some studies, allegedly. Other studies seem to show the opposite.

Especially if they don't go trans in the first place, the overall suicide rates can be lower. (It may be possible that in a small subset the suicide rates might end up higher, but it could be hard to identify exactly which individuals are in this subset)

 

You know, if neither side taught children anything about trans stuff then no one's beliefs would be causing those children "harm".

But I think once children hear about one side of the story, they need to hear the other side.

 

Been there, DONE that, NO big deal, even in CROWDED ones at the MALL. We all just take our turn to use a stall and then wash our hands and check our makeup. Golden rule is never let anyone leave with a "wardrobe malfunction".

What ELSE do you BELIEVE happens in women's bathrooms?

We all need to pee and poop, BOTH male and female and a TOILET literally doesn't give a crap who sits on it.

How many DEVOUT xtians have SEPARATE male and female bathrooms in their OWN houses?

NONE, right?

Xtofascist controlled GOP HYSTERIA over NORMAL bodily functions is DUMBER than a box of rocks.

 

So you're claiming it's no big deal then? Why make a big issue of it then?

 

Derideo_Te, are you willing to admit that this man's decision to go trans was DESTRUCTIVE ? (he lost his wife)

(and it appears he made the decision before he even knew he would lose his wife)

 

?? Our society openly displays love and sexuality.

You aren't even asking LGBTQ people to act like straight folks!

You're actually conjuring up something YOU believe THEY should behave like!!!

 

If he had "no control" over being trans, why did his wife leave him then?

I don't feel like the statement you made entirely squares with what the situation is.