Will California Voter Suppression On Gay Marriage Happen In Other States? MOD ALERT

Yep, OVERRULED. Gay marriage is still illegal in California.

 

Strawman.

The Federal District Court of Northern California. The Supreme Court, in refusing to rule on prop 8, and in vacating the appelate courts ruling on the same grounds, granted the Federal District Court this authority. This declaration was made by the Federal District Court on August 4, 2010. The Supreme Court then ordered the decision to be enforced on June 26th, 2013.

Any more questions?

 

Yes...lol...and now listen carefully to the ruse the conservative Justices tricked you and their fellows with...

That STALE LOWER COURT "ruling" was rendered null and void by last month's FRESH AND SUPERIOR COURT Ruling [capital "R"] that avered over and over and over and over that state's have the right to choose on gay marriage, 13 year olds and first cousins, among others, to marry....lol... I gotta hand it to the GOP they are a clever bunch when it comes to strategy. Democrats in contrast are a bunch of drooling morons when it comes to reptillian strategy [the type that wins elections and actually makes things happen]. It pains me to say this about my party...one that at least has its intellectual feet on the ground with green energy and real progressive issues apart from butt sex.

Your stale citations of lower court rulings are meaningless in the face of what was Declared last month from SCOTUS. Simply said, they avered a state's right to choose. That was code for "if anyone challenges Prop 8s validity to deny gay marriage, we will uphold Prop 8 on that standing..." Sorry you missed that part...

 

Proven lie. Prop 8 was ruled unconstitutional. Same sex couples have been legally marrying for 2 weeks and recognized by the federal govnt

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All of this has been refuted. To claim prop 8 is still the law is a proven lie.

 

The DOMA ruling set the precedent for the potential supreme court overturning of all laws against gay marriage. The Supreme Court ruling on Prop 8 specifically ordered the enforcement of the prop 8 ruling by the federal district court. So sorry, you are wrong, wrong, wrong.

Here's a picture of what's happening over here in CA:

 

Totally agree! Especially when the votes are BOUGHT by the Christian Right (and the Mormons) from OTHER STATES!

I believe that prop 8 was NEVER the will of the people of California. . .it was just a fluke bought up by money from OUTSIDE California.

And I am speaking as a 16 year resident of California.

 

Two guys dressed up to "get married" completely unaware of the fact that they cannot do so legally in California and that anything issued to them by a County Clerk will be nullified in the near future. Too bad they're being lied to by King Jerry the Brown and Court Jester Kamala Harris...

Prop 8 a fluke?...lol...How do you "buy up" someone's visceral support or animosity for gay marriage. Do tell?

 

Here's a little reality for you to digest. It's the text from last month's DOMA Decision...

Still laughing?

 

Yes. No where does the decision affirm a states right to exclude homosexual couples from marriage. The court did not address that issue at all in DOMA. Hence why decisions overturning gay marriage bans have been upheld, but those keeping them in place have also remained in place.

 

Yes silly, we're still laughing.

Meanwhile prop 8 is dead. Same sex couples are legally marrying in CA and recognized by the federal govnt

 

Complete detachment from reality. But I'll give you a chance to save some credibility. Post the supreme courts decision overturning his ruling, or admit you made an error

Irrelevant to the discussion. We're not talking about whether same sex marriage is just, though there is no valid argument that it is not.

I've explained the examples you would need to make your argument. You have failed to provide them.

If you claim that marriage is not a legal institution or that prop 8 is still in force, you most certainly delusional or lying. My evidence is the fact that marriage is of course a legal institution and that prop 8 was ruled unconstitutional and same sex couples have been legally marrying for 2 weeks and recognized by the federal government.

 

I will not conform to your idea of what your argument should be merely because you'd find such an approach easier to refute.
See, in a debate, you don't get to tell your opponent what to say.

The SCOTUS ruling actually did overturn the concept of Walker's ruling, but, since it would probably qualify as post de facto legislation the proposition 8 vote would have to occur again. (The overruled concept being that a federal court can tell a state what to do in a matter that is outside the Constitution - a clear overreach of the federal government).

Marriage continues to be an extralegal institution, and all "legal marriages" are actually civil unions by definition.

Public=civil
people being joined=union
people being joined by the public = civil union.

Don't like it? Live somewhere that makes "marriage" legal for the politically homosexual.
But there will now be many states that defend the definition of marriage.

 

Complete detachment from reality. It is a delusional statement or outright lie to claim that walkers ruling was overturned. It is simply factually incorrect.

Again, complete detachment from reality. It is simply factually incorrect to claim marriage is not a legal institution.

Legal institution of marriage codified in law.

Unfortunately for you, more and more states have and will continue to legalize same sex marriage.

I notice you chose not to preserve any credibility by either citing the Supreme Court overturning walkers decision or admitting your error. Pity

 

It's a pity you can't see beyond your own face. You ignore my assertions and evidence (as usual!) in lieu of the derogatory, inaccurate, and entirely ineffectual repetitive statement "complete detachment from reality."

Just because you say it a lot doesn't make it true.

Everything I said is factual - you ought to review if you're having trouble comprehending. Your childish cries of "you're wrong" do not impress me without any evidence to support their structure.

But, like a typical neoliberal, you will continue to attempt to attain victory in the debate by shouting down your opponent.

Very well; I'll leave now. Have fun arguing whatever points you feel like conjuring up for me.

Or just continue to troll - you seem to have fun doing that.

 

From the text of DOMA:

 

Your assertions are not based in reality. You've provided no evidence, merely your delusional opinions.

Of course not. Reality makes it true.

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Then you should have no trouble providing the decision overturning walkers ruling. We both know you can't do that, because no such ruling exists. Prop 8 is dead. Same sex couples are now legally marrying in CA.

http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/12pdf/12-144_8ok0.pdf.

I'm not attempting victory. I won.

Not sure what definition of trolling you think you applies to me proving you wrong. You are fond of delusions though.

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Which wasn't part of the case before the court. Continuing to claim the ruled as you keep saying they did is a repeatedly proven lie

 

And as it turns out, it's no trouble at all..

From the text of DOMA on gay marriage [concerning Prop 8's alleged "unconstitutionality"]

 

Who are you talking to?

That isn't a ruling overturning walkers decision. Prop 8 is dead. Same sex couples are legally marrying in CA and recognized by the federal government. Claiming it is still in effect is a proven lie

 

No, Article II of the California State Constitution is NOT dead.

 

Who are you talking to? Prop 8 is dead

 

You cannot declare a lawful state initiative duly enacted by the majority vote in California, which the Supreme Court avered is their right and has been their right to do since our country's founding as "dead". That's tyranny and it ain't gonna fly..

 

Meanwhile, prop 8 is dead, same sex couples are legally marrying in CA and recognized by the federal government. To claim prop 8 is still in effect is a proven lie.

 

Meanwhile, a case in Pennsylvania is marching up to the Supreme Court to test them to see if they were serious in DOMA saying over and over and over that the realm of deciding on gay marriage is at the state level...

 

They made no such statement

 

They did, in the DOMA opinion, page 2, 1st paragraph. They made it a point to insert that right at the get-go, lest there be any trouble recognizing its importance and weight on the following dialogue...which avered over and over and over that the realm of choice on gay marriage is at the state level...