With Scalia gone it is likely the pro life movement goes with him

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  1. Vegas giants

    Vegas giants Banned

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    Your chances now of overturning Roe V Wade are nil for at least another generation. GOP candidates will try to continue to use you by making promise on this issue they can never keep but its over. Sorry folks (well....not really. lol)
     
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    First, Obama has to successfully name a replacement. Repukicants have vowed to block anyone he names.
     
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    It's unfortunate that Supreme Court nominations have become so politicized. One would hope everyone could just back a candidate with good character who will do his/her best to uphold the laws and carry out the intentions of the majority in Congress. But Congress, through their inaction, has basically given the Court a free hand to legislate from the bench. That's why these nominations have become so politicized.
     
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    I too think it is sad that the SCOTUS has become so politicized. But I do not know what congress could do about it unless it set about to impeach a judge or two which congress thinks have overstepped the bounds when it comes to reading and interpreting the constitution. But the side which such a judge is pushing their political agenda would not vote for impeachment.

    It would be nice if the SCOTUS did read into the constitution things that are not there and go by original intent of the framers instead of what ever political agenda they believe in. The constitution according to the framers couldn't be changed except for the amendment process which has occurred 26 times.

    The court does legislate from the bench. Its easier that way than to get congress to go along with whatever the political agenda is or to change the constitution via the amendment process. The fact is today, the constitution says and means what those 9 blacked robed people on the SCOTUS says it means, not what is written in plain English in the constitution itself or what the framers original intention was.
     
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    MYSTERY: No U.S. Marshal Protection -- Pronounced dead over phone...
    :eekeyes:
    "The death of Antonin Scalia: Chaos, confusion and conflicting reports"
    14 Feb.`16 - Inside the cloistered chambers of the Supreme Court, Justice Antonin Scalia’s days were highly regulated and predictable. He met with clerks, wrote opinions and appeared for arguments in the august courtroom on a schedule set months in advance.
    See also:

    No autopsy for Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia
    14 Feb.`16 - U.S. Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia, the leading conservative voice on the high court, has died at the age of 79, a government source and a family friend told CNN on Saturday.
    Related:

    Ranch owner states that there was a pillow over Scalia’s head when he was found dead
    Sunday, February 14, 2016 — A first-time guest to the Cibolo Creek Creek Ranch, U.S. Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia was animated and engaged during dinner Friday night, as one of three dozen invitees to an event that had nothing to do with law or politics, according to the ranch owner.
    Betcha dem Apaches kilt him.
     
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    A justice of the peace can pronounce death in the USA??? Holy crap, that's awful. Here, it has to be a doctor or a coroner (and coroners are doctors) or an RN Extended Class (but only under specific circumstances where he/she was caring for the deceased).
     
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    I don't think there was ever a realistic chance to overturn Roe. It is settled law.

    Only a person living in complete delusion would think it was possible to overturn it.

    I mean, are some wingnut right-to-lifers really that stupid and unrealistic?
     
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    In rural Texas Justice of the Peace are the coroners - though may direct a qualified professional to do an autopsy.
     
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    Replace justice of the peace with doctor and that all would be pretty standard had he been in California. I've seen ER physicians call death over the phone with information from paramedics. And autopsies are not usually done on deaths that fit the classic conception of natural death. If he were 30 years younger, they probably would have done one, or if there otherwise were medical questions surrounding his death, or if his death did not appear to be natural. I guess maybe you could order an autopsy just because he was such a high-profile guy, and most likely it would have been a massive stroke or heart attack.
     
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    Laws can change. The Supreme Court has made decisions before that were overturned many years later. They believe fetuses are persons like you or me, so I'd imagine they'll keep trying unless they ever understand the reality of what a fetus is.
     
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    the right doesn't want to overturn it, that is their carrot for the religious right vote
     
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    really no point in speculating anything out of the norm as he was 79, so natural causes is probably the truth in this case

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    ............Yes..........
     
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    They can't overturn it so they have been trying to eliminate access to abortion providers instead.
     
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    Count on it ! :clapping:
     
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    Of course it would be possible to overturn it even as settled law since it was judicial activism, legislation from the bench, that got it through the court in the first place and rests on very shaky constitutional grounds.
     
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    The strange thing is that pro-lifers seem to think that overturning Roe (if at all possible) is some sort of magic bullet that will render all elective abortion illegal, when the reality is that it is not.

    There are other avenues that can pursued to keep elective abortion legal and they are far more in line with the Constitution than Roe ever was.
     
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    That would be through the States, which is where it was going before the SCOTUS intervened.
     
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    nope, unless you are attempting to suggest that 2nd Amendment rights, and the equal protection clause would be "through the States" .. are you?
     
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    If Roe v Wade were overturned, the only avenue would be through the States as it was before Roe v Wade.
     
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    There is virtually no chance now. You had 40 years to stack the court and you achieved nothing. If anything the court will now turn more liberal.
     
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    Ironically, had Scalia been the Constitutionalist that he claimed to be, he would have voted with the majority in Roe.
     
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    Which shows that they are acting like spoiled children and don't give a fig about the country or the democratic process.
     
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    Scalia did not understand the concept of Separation of Church and State. Good ridden's to bad rubbish.
     
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    I hope the republicans show back bone and torpedo any traitor Obama's nominees.
     

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