Would you raise kids to be homophobes? No? Well why do you do this?

Would you raise kids to be homophobes? No? Well why do you do this?

I grew up in the 1960's and a member of my immediate family was openly Gay. Even so, I had and still have a generally unfavorable view of LGBT's.

Why?

It's just a matter of how I was raised and the culture I grew up in.

You CERTAINLY wouldn't raise your kids to hate another group for the rest of their lives based on insignificant reasons would you?

Ah, ah ah...not so fast!

Before you answer, think of what you are teaching your kids about Conservatives and Republicans.

Will you think about what you are doing?

I have a slightly unfavorable view toward LGBT's and I, personally, KNOW Gays and Lesbians. Which shows how powerful "Hate Teach" can be. And I'm almost 60 y/o. Which shows how long the effects of "Hate Teach" can last.

If you really want to do something to help heal the rift between the Left and the Right it starts with you.

Please stop demonizing the Right.

If not for the sake of your country and countrymen and to avoid the worst, but to spare your offspring the burden of carrying on the hatred that will only hurt them their entire lives.

 

Only five views?

Bump.

 

What about the left? It's okay to demonize the left?

 

you preach against hate speech as you use hateful rhetoric. You use a made up word "homophobes" to demonize and dismiss some one of a differing faith and belief a faith and belief that clearly says the act of homosexuality is a sin
And you expect them to ignore, go against, and ambandon a faith and belief that has been around for two thousand years because less then 10% of the population might get offended

 

Seriously. Does anyone smell the hypocrisy in here?

Or how about the Right starts to notice just how many LGBT people support their views? Not so much on homosexuality but on everything else? Log Cabin Republicans anyone?

But hey, if they want to continue demonizing gay people as a whole, gay people who might be Christian, might even be Republican and essentially marginalizing them from their own group so be it. Let them turn more people away. Surely they afford to continue losing members and shrinking?

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So you raise your kids to be hateful of others based on...certain aspects of their personality or behaviors?

 

teaching an act is wrong and goes against a faith and a belief is not hate
do you hate a family member or friend that commits a sin
I hope you don't
See im intelligent enough to know that saying something is a sin is not hating on the person who committed the sin
I for one don't really care why homosexuals do but I understand enough to know hating the sin is not hating the sinner

 

And let's not forget Christians who do not believe gay people are sinful. The right is doing a good job of pissing them off too.

And a list of said denominations:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT-affirming_Christian_denominations

 

I don't believe sin is a real thing.

 

I really want to answer you but first I have to figure out what point you are trying to make or what question you are trying to ask.

Please help me out here.

 

This thread is not about homosexuality.

It is about easing up on the expressions of hatred towards the Right.

Can you control yourselves well enough to stay on topic?

I want this idea to be explored and I'd like to learn what others are thinking of THIS idea that Libs are Hate Teaching & Tolerating a successive generation to be as bigoted and intolerant of the Right as we were toward Gays.

Get it?

Thanks.

 

I grew up in the 1960's also. And I have no unfavorable view of homosexuals, even though the culture in which I was raised in taught otherwise. I also don't look unfavorably on people of different races or ethnicities- even though at the time that was common.

I overcame those prejudices.

I don't teach my child anything about Conservatives or Republicans or Democrats or Liberals- I teach my child about people and how to treat people and how to judge people.

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That message would be a lot more powerful if you had said stop demonizing the Right and stop demonizing the Left.

It would be even more powerful if you weren't yourself guilty of posting dreck like this: (following all are quotes from Pregnar)

whenever I want to have some fun trashing those pea brained morons, I am an anti-Libreral in that case

Our nation's problem stems from libs who think our economy, our gun laws, our educational system and etc. should be governed by rules that are emotionally straight from a playground mindset and outlook.

If you want to make the switch and reject Obama we will NOT criticize you in this thread.

You will be congratulated and welcomed back into patriotic America.

I guess you really do lack the reasoning skills Liberals are accused of not having.

I don't hate anyone and I don't teach or advocate that anyone should hate anyone.

Before you lecture us on what we are teaching children- perhaps you should take a long hard look at what messages you are conveying.

 

You mean finally standing up to the right is now viewed as hate? Wow- so that's how you spin it now?

I've already explained to you that any "hate" you experience is your chickens coming home to roost. You reap what you sow. And trust me, you've done a hell of a lot of sowing. If you want to be viewed differently, well- that's up to you.

Here's a hint- maybe try apologizing for all the things the right has done to us. But hey, I'm not gonna hold my breath on that one.

 

Really?

Would you raise kids to be homophobes? No? Well why do you do this?

I grew up in the 1960's and a member of my immediate family was openly Gay. Even so, I had and still have a generally unfavorable view of LGBT's.

Why?

It's just a matter of how I was raised and the culture I grew up in.

You CERTAINLY wouldn't raise your kids to hate another group for the rest of their lives based on insignificant reasons would you?

Ah, ah ah...not so fast!

Before you answer, think of what you are teaching your kids about Conservatives and Republicans.

Will you think about what you are doing?

I have a slightly unfavorable view toward LGBT's and I, personally, KNOW Gays and Lesbians. Which shows how powerful "Hate Teach" can be. And I'm almost 60 y/o. Which shows how long the effects of "Hate Teach" can last.

For a thread that is not about homosexuals, you sure did spend a whole lot of time talking about homosexuals.

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Since you focus only on Liberals, I would say your topic is as bigoted and intolerant of the Left as you are towards Gays.

 

Nope it's not okay.

And the MAIN reason it's not okay is because, due to your passionate nature you immediately go into defensive mode, understandably,

But when that happens all that's left is name calling and insults.

And you know how much i enjoy that but the time for America as we've known it is drawing nigh to an end.

If we don't try to unite we will be exploited by those who need us to be at each other's throats and for us to pass that hatred down to our kids and their kids and so on and so on.

Watch the History Channel video of the Hatfields and the McCoys to see how long a stupid deadly feud can last.

Or look at Israel/Palestine or the Brits and the NRA Or the Sunni/Shia.

We DON'T want that do we???

Of course not!

So we must take the first step to avoid that hell of our own making.

A hell we can avoid.

 

Trust me that was a way to lay my cards on the table so you could see where i am coming from.

I felt that hatred and I know it isn't a good thing to bear, not for the bearer or those who are demonized.

And with that understanding of me I hope you might realize i see you guys and girls are doing the same thing but instead of demonizing Gays you are demonizing the Right Wing.

It is not about Gays as such.

It is about eliminating hate.

It starts right here if you want to take the step.

 

I sincerely apologize to you for everything, all of the vile, hateful, thoughtless, brutal, silly, messy, hurtful, illegal deadly things the Right has ever done to you.

Don't doom your kids to repeat what the Right did to you by teaching them Tit-4-Tat.

Please don't.

It's not good for them.

It's not good for you. It's not good for America.

And as time goes on you will recognize attempts to keep us divided. Those who will play on these very animosities which we can take the first steps to try to heal.

 

Hmmmm how about you take a month and demonstrate yourself how to take that step?

As I said before- I don't hate anyone- and I don't advocate that anyone hate Conservatives or Republicans or even give that any consideration in how they are treated.

If you want to eliminate hate- then I would suggest you ask both Republicans and Democrats, Liberals and Conservatives to treat people better.

But you make this a liberal thing.

Which in my mind means you are doing exactly what you are telling others not to do.

 

This is not a private message.

How do you know they aren't reading this?

If there was an objection from my brothers and sisters on the right is there anyone stopping them from voicing it here?

 

That message would be a lot more powerful if you had said stop demonizing the Right and stop demonizing the Left.

It would be even more powerful if you weren't yourself guilty of posting dreck like this: (following all are quotes from Pregnar)

whenever I want to have some fun trashing those pea brained morons, I am an anti-Libreral in that case

Our nation's problem stems from libs who think our economy, our gun laws, our educational system and etc. should be governed by rules that are emotionally straight from a playground mindset and outlook.

If you want to make the switch and reject Obama we will NOT criticize you in this thread.

You will be congratulated and welcomed back into patriotic America.

I guess you really do lack the reasoning skills Liberals are accused of not having.

I don't hate anyone and I don't teach or advocate that anyone should hate anyone.

Before you lecture us on what we are teaching children- perhaps you should take a long hard look at what messages you are conveying.

 

Telling your kids that someone is a sinner is teaching them intolerance and bigotry.

Sin is a very subjective concept! Why teach your kids to "JUDGE" people when in fact, ONLY GOD should have that privilege?

I do not see homosexuality as "sinful!" In fact, I would see adultery, promiscuity and pornography as SINS before I would consider two adult people in a consensual relationship that involve LOVE as "sinful!"

I believe that teaching your kids to JUDGE based on your own bigoted principles is SINFUL.

So. . .you see, sin is a very subjective concepts and should NOT be taught to children! Stick with calling them "sinners" if they steal a cookie!

 

It is tough to change habits. Even bad habits.

Some people loved their habit of smoking cigarettes so much they would smoke through their throat tubes made necessary because tobacco had eaten away their mouth parts.

And no this isn't about cancer or smoking.

it's about how difficult making peace will be.

All I know is that we can't allow ourselves the luxury of hatred any longer.

There are individuals and forces who want nothing more than to exploit the animosities between us and i know in my heart of hearts we will all live to regret it if we don't unite as one in the face of these threats which are just over the horizon.

 

For several years I have waited for just the right time and just the right circumstance to mention this organization.

Character Counts!

http://charactercounts.org/sixpillars.html

They worked long and diligently to form focus groups and conduct surveys of all kinds of people with an emphasis on including some of EVERYONE and based on their results these are the values that EVERYONE agreed on. No one is prevented from signing on, mentally, to these values because of their religion or sexual politics or orientation or color or anything.

Read the list and tell me if there is anything you object to being imparted to your next generation of Americans.

 

Your "character counts" philosophy sounds good. . .but I do not see any "TOLERANCE" in those principles. . ."kindness" is great. . .but it sounds more like "charity" towards "the sinners" than it doest ACCEPTANCE of difference views and ways of life.

The LAST thing we need our kids to be indoctrinated into is SELF-RIGHEOUSNESS. . .believing that "they" are perfect, that "they" have all the answers, and that anything that varies from what "they" have been taught or exposed to is "sinful" or "wrong."

 

So far, all i have seen is you asking Liberals to change.

I haven't seen any commitment from yourself to not do what you tell Liberals not to do.

Nor do I see you asking Conservatives to change.

When I see that you are asking from both Liberals and Conservatives what you have committed yourself to- well then I will believe you have taken the first step.

When I see follow through on your behalf on posts here at PF, I will be glad to congratulate you on your efforts to reduce hate in America.

 

Additionally, if I were you I'd look at this as the ultimate compliment.

I am acknowledging you guys and gals have to power to help control the future of America.

There is a formula called the three legged stool that is needed to create or sustain fire.

Temperature. Fuel. And Oxygen.

You remove one of the legs from the stool and there will be no fire.

If you will stop feeding the fires of hatred there will be no fire.

If I implored the Right to relent they would get credit for preventing the nation from a hypothetical violent conflict between the left and the right.

Here, I am offering it to you to be the bigger man, if you will permit the expression.

Well, looking at the riots and insurrections and insurgencies happening all over the world and looking at what Obama said to Medvedev before the 2012 election...

[video=youtube;XsFR8DbSRQE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsFR8DbSRQE[/video]

I just get the feeling we should join forces as one. Circle our wagons and be ready for what might happen next.