Zimmerman Trial (Weekend Edition) READ THREAD WARNING IN OP BEFORE POSTING

I'm gonna give my take since this case is already over and I'm tried of reading the same old stuff.

First off I'm in a neighborhood patrol organization and was captain of it for a year so I'm very familiar with the role we play. I even made 2 training videos one which is still shown to each and every candidate who goes through training in Dallas. Now in the DFW area the police tell you during training NEVER EVER get out of your car unless you see someone's life in danger and they encourage those of us with CHLs to not carry during patrol. I don't agree with the last rule but I obey it. We are also told to never patrol alone which of course I adhere to as well.

Based on what I've seen so far Zimmerman spotted TM, thought he was suspicious for whatever reason and followed. He did what the police tell us to do and did call 9.11. (I do disagree with him for following TM by getting out of the car but I'm not in a high crime-rate neighborhood either so its easy for me to say it now) I've followed plenty of people who look like Exotix's avatar but never to get out of the car and followed on foot. I think TM spotted Zimmerman which we already know and hid in waiting. When Zimmerman passed he jumped out angry demanding to know what Zimmerman's problem was. Zimmerman my guess was afraid because this kid was taller and he probably didn't expect to confront him. TM being a 17 year old kid saw the fear and decided he was going to teach Zimmerman a lesson by beating the crap out of him which he did. What I'm not sure on is whether or not TM went for the gun and said "you are going to die tonight" I do believe however TM was beating the crap out of Zimmerman and that's when Zimmerman fired. I tend to believe TM did not go for the gun simply because of where he was shot.

IMO 2nd murder, no way. Involuntary manslaughter a possibility but the evidence really doesn't support it.

You may go back to arguing the tiny little points on this case now.

 

This is probably close to the what happened, if Zimmerman's statements are true. Given the evidence in this case, and that fact that the prosecution did not disprove it with contradictory evidence, shoot I can't argue with this one bit.

 

Fair enough.

Whatever happens, this case is really a sobering microcosm of where are society is (or isn't).

 

The only witness to Trayvon Martin's thoughts said he ran before continuing to walk.
He was approached by a hard breathing man saying "What are you doing back here?"
He replied, "Why are you following me?"
He then said, "Get off, get off!" Before the call dropped.

John Good said he saw a few seconds of the incident seeing arms moving in a pushing motion or hitting motion with both persons on the grass.

Zimmerman says he came upon him and made a threatening motion.

Few people would believe a man that was armed and always carried was screaming for his life.

If you are an intelligent jury that takes the time to focus on the basic testimony and not the run on stuff, you convict of murder 2.
He had ill will and preceded to murder a person due to it.

 

Tex brings up a good point. Police advice is not the same a law. The police advise to never get out of your car or carry but that is not law by any means.

 

Ridiculous.....outstandingly so.

Hopefully the jury will have some degree of analytical ability and understand what really happened.

 

Can you argue with this? Zimmerman's barber is a big Captain Kirk fan

 

Yes....this case shows that this society is more divided than at any time in our history except possibly for the era of the War Between The States.

When a nation cannot unite when under extreme threat from a foreign source then you know that nation is ripe for destruction.

This Zimmerman case shows just how pathetic people really are...I mean a great number of them...perhaps the majority now. Unable to think properly, unable to recognize truth over politics, willing to persecute an innocent man in the pursuit of a political agenda, unable even to undersand simple facts and simple laws...I mean I could go on and on....way tooooo many of these comments about this case remind me of the interviews Leno has with people on the street....similar type comments...off the wall, ridiculous....people in pursuit of a particularly biased narrative with an inability to appreciate facts.

One can only hope this jury has some ability to engage in analytical thinking.

 

Right. Even if a 911 operator advises you in some matter, it's up to you if you follow that advice. They cannot legally force you to do anything. Yet I've read on countless forums that Zimmerman was "told to stay in his car by the police" which is simply not true according to the facts.

 

You are making a mixture of non truths with out of context quotes and a mish mash of the time line. Seriously you are trying to imply that Trayvon's phone call captures Zimmerman attacking Martin and Zimmerman being on top of Martin. You are just making stuff up to suite your desires. Very sad. You are not interested in the truth at all.

 

LMAO

I bet Zimmerman wants to get beamed up off this planet right now, especially if there's any chance he doesn't get the correct verdict.

 

Right on the money for the most part.....the only thing I would disagree with you would be on whether trayvon was going for the gun....which is irrelevant anyhow....because George believed he was....and trayvon could definitely have gotten Z's weapon if he had succeeded in knocking out Z.

George did put himself in danger by getting out of his car but he had every right to do so plus he had every reason to believe Trayvon was leaving the area....but George was not as afraid of trayvon as he should have been....I thinik he had gotten very used to calling the police when he saw a suspicious person...the suspicious person would run away before the police got there...George just thought this would be a repeat of something that had happened so many times.

If George had wanted to confront trayvon he would have done so when he first saw him and trayvon came up to his truck to observe George...but George kept his windows up and did not attempt to engage trayvon in any sort of conversation...he just stayed on the phone informing dispatch of trayvons behavior and actions....George's behavior was not indicative of a person that wanted any kind of confrontation much less a violent one...as he said he did not want a confrontation he was waiting for the police to do that.

I think most of the completely off the wall and ridiculous comments one sees onhere shows that a lot of people have not had much experience with people like trayvon...they watch t.v. and hollwood movies and thus have a mindset not based on reality. Too eager to condemn someone like George because the media has demonized him and even their beloved President issued a prejudicial statement....imagine that...one arm of our government the executive branch came out and issued a prejudicial statement not even knowning the facts and not even knowing what trayvon really looked like at that time. Based his opinion on a old photograpoh of trayvon circulated by the media when trayvon was like l2 years old. If Obama had seen the video of trayvon in the 7-11 ..I do think he would have said my son would look like that.

 

Yes that is one of the most common mistakes one sees about the Z case.....these people really believe George violated a police order. During the trial the police dispatcher George talked to made it absolutely clear they are not allowed to tell people what to do...it is against their policy to tell people what to do because it would make them legally liable.

 

one interesting aside to that video of trayvon in the 7-11. The clerk when called to testify said he was not afraid of trayvon. hahahhaahhaaha

I mean look at that video...here is trayvon in a hoodie with the hood covering his head, a tall bulky menacing figure...I would bet the clerk was very relieved when trayvon left the store. Bout of course he could not say that....and keep his job anyhow.

 

I agree especially with the last part. I've done community service in poor neighborhoods both in Dallas and Caprini Green in Chicago in the early 90s and I can't imagine based off our society kids in these areas have improved.

 

There's a lot of common mistakes about this case, and most of them are caused by people mixing in their opinions and slanting the case in their favor. Even me, heck I might think some things that are stretching it a bit but overall I think I'm being fair.

That's not how law works. I just hope the jury can set aside any biases and come to a decision based on the facts alone.

 

No they have not improved...actually they are getting much worse...though the media does its deadlevel best to cover it up.....calling these black kids involved in attacks on lone white people...a pack of teens....for though in the know...a pack of teens is code for a pack of negroes.

The media has even admitted to covering up black on white crime...they say they do so to keep from stigmatizing the black community.

Thius it really should come as no surprise to people that a l7 yr. old like trayvon was willing to attack Z because that is the mindset they are sourrounded by....plus he had marijuana in his system but the defense was not even allowed to admit the toxicology report into evidence.....that alone should be enough for an appeal if the jury finds Z Guilty as charged.

 

He did. Listen to the NEN call.

 

Yeah I saw that too.

I have to say, though, if Trayvon had a stronger father figure in his life and less time on his hands to do foolish things for no reason... he might still be here today. It saddens me that nobody cared enough about him to raise and guide him properly. I wouldn't say anything to his mother out my respect for women, but I would say something to his Dad. Guys like Mr Martin are why misguided youth like Trayvon end up in jail or dead.

 

Honestly I don't think the marijuana in his system is relevant. If he were really high, he would hardly have tried to beat anybody. Marijuana stays in the system for weeks.

 

In order to get to the truth the jury must be able to separate the state's 'narrative' and concentrate on the evidence and the facts.

The prosecution lawyer who presented the state's case for not adhering to the defense request for dismissal of charges is such a twit...I would like to get him alone in some dark alley and slap some sense into him hahahahah I mean just look at that guy...I don't remember his name...the little blonde prosecution lawyer...what a twit...very irritating....all he could do was spin a tale(narrative) of what could have happened at least according to him...had no evidence or facts to back him up...pure conjecture...a prosecution lawyer fantasizing about his agenda....more than willing to send an innocent man to jail for life just to pursue his political agenda and career. Outrageous!

 

Most of these guys like trayvon have no father figure at all...do not even know who their father is. No doubt a major, major reason they get into so much trouble and so early in their lives...by the time most kids graduate from high school these kids have rap sheets as long as your arm. The courts usually turn them back out on the streets because it costs too much to warehouse them.

 

I have to agree with son. Even in my own life, I feel I could have been a better father. It makes all the difference in the world.