What do they DO to people like Hillary Clinton?

Impossible, one needs to prove what exists.

 

Well, if Germany hadn't been stupid enough to (*)(*)(*)(*) off the Soviets, Britain would have probably "flipped" too.

It depends on if Japan would have still attacked us and if Germany would have attacked our ships. There were plenty of things going on outside of Europe that dragged us into WW2.

My grandfather was in the 82nd Airborne, but he was lucky enough to have survived WW2, so I can relate to you somewhat.

My post was somewhat facetious, because I found it odd that AB apparently believes Wall Street controls everything. The point I was making was that, if indeed, a power actually existed that somehow had what appeared to be godlike power over the world, it would be rather futile to fight it.

So far, I've never seen any enemy like that in human history. The Nazies were powerful, but nothing like what AB was implying about the Soviet connection. It's one thing to suggest that Wall Street initially had a vested interest in having the Tsars ousted by Communists, but it's quite another to suggest that they successfully controlled Lenin and Stalin once that system finally came into full effect.

I don't believe any current power in play has the ability to manipulate everything. We still live in a multipolar world in terms of power struggles. Now, Wall Street probably is the singlemost powerful player right now, but I just don't believe it goes as far as AB was suggesting.

 

I'll list a few of the top powers in Washington.

Wall Street, Telecoms, the Military Industrial Complex, Big Pharma, Big Agribusiness, Big Oil, & The Family (a Religious Right social club)

Now, all of these interests can have overlapping agendas with Zionists, but they're certainly not aligned with them completely. That's where the competition comes in.

Our government is subject to a tug of war of special interests. The same is true for most governments -- especially ones that control countries with large populations.

So, even though it might sometimes seem like one group is pulling all the strings, it's not that simple. Even Wall Street is limited in its power. They have more power than the Zionists and other groups, but even they occasionally take a back seat to other interests.

 

LMAO you don't need to believe it. That's not what I care about...you simply need to know the facts and then whatever YOU believe is utterly inconsequential to the entire world.

Research how they not only created but propped up the communist regime. Investigate how both Lenin and Trotsky were funded by global bankers. You think they disposed of the Tzar's in Russia merely so they could trade with the Bolsheviks? that's surely the height of naivety. Even for you.

Why did a group of capitalist bankers, the likes of the Schiffs, Warburg's, Rockefeller and Rothschild's....invest in a communist movement?

Why did they continue to finance soviet Russia even after the 1917 revolution? answer that...

Why did US corporations build Soviet union factories and weapons plants, which started churning out military equipment?

Why did banks and some American corporations finance and support Hitler even DURING WW2? [Standard Oil, Union Banking Corporation, Chase bank etc.]

Why did Wall street finance both the rise to power of Stalin AND Hitler?

I just hit you with the facts and you shrivel up. Listen it's pure and simple. IF you actually believe that WW1 and WW2 just happened, you're one gullible individual. Pretty much all the wars of the 20-21st century have been engineered for global profits, and in each of these wars, guess who's profited the most? the banks. Wall street. Central banking cartels loan money to governments, the more they loan, the more they reap. Not to mention the enslavement of nations by plunging them into debt. Debt = slavery.

I cannot believe the people who call themselves Americans on this site, YOUR founding fathers, gave up their lives because they could see this pure evil that I and a few others can also see. They fought a revolution AGAINST international bankers, and look at your country today, the #1 play thing of the global financiers. And you just accept it.

 

Clinton has a boss, so everything she is saying and doing is coming from someone else. Its not a far leap to figure out who that might be. Looking for blame for erratic or idiotic behavior? The Amateur in Chief is a good place to start...

 

Precisely. He's position on Israeli/US relations is totally upside down and back to front. I used to work in international relations and I know for a fact that Israel works mainly on behalf of the US not the other way round.

 

I'd point you to the same idea. You clearly believe in a very convoluted conspiracy theory. That's also "inconsequential."

All this really comes down to is that we're looking at the same information but coming to different conclusions.

And I would suggest that it's very naive to think that a group of ideologues bent on separating themselves from both feudal and Western influence would just go along with a Wall Street agenda.

Clearly, the bankers that supported Lenin got more than they bargained for by the time the Soviet Union came into full swing.

Cite your sources. Show me the evidence that Wall Street financed Hitler's rise. Show me the evidence that American corporations supported Hitler after we entered WW2.

So you're claiming that I "just accept" this, while simultaneously expecting me to just accept your statements as fact.

Give me evidence, and we'll talk further.

 

I have offered ample proof of, cites, times, dates, names, etc, of Jewish Zionist ownership of all key aspects of American infrastructure.

It is entirely possible for someone to try to debunk those, isn't it, Gilos?

I mean, if one were being honest, they could pick out any names, cites, etc, that I have made in this thread, and prove me wrong.

So far, that hasn't happened.

Someone saying 'You are talking nonsense', well, you are intelligent enough to know it takes a bit more than that, Gilos.

If any of my details, names, cites are wrong, I would be more than happy to hear which, and correct them accordingly, when new and better information is presented to me.

It hasn't been.

That's the problem.

 

Ha ha ha.

That's just a wicked lie, though.

You make fools of Americans.

After 911, there were only two men who, to the best of my knowlege, stated that 3,000 dead people was a 'good thing'.

One was the scary, long bearded, Muslim man, CIA trained, Osama Bin Laden.

The other was Netenyahu.

The US totally ignored the sick and heartless words of one....while invading, occupying, and murdering tens of thousands of human beings, just like you, in a country that had nothing to do with 911.

You don't want Americans in Israel.

You want their money, their military, and you want all that can bring.

You do not want them. No American, who is not a Jew, can even go live in Israel, even if they were of a mind to.

You have the strictest immigration laws that I know of - eg; you must be a Jew.

A marriage between a Jew and a non Jew, it is not possible, in Israel.

That's nothing like America.

It's more akin to 30's/40's Germany, in which it was unlawful for a non Jew to have relations with a Jew.

Jack

 

I know you don't/can't.

Let's return to the here and now.

I stick by my assertion, as per the wealth of evidence that I have presented, cites, names, examples, etc, that today, and for the past few decades, that Zionist Jews influence/own/control, all key aspects of the US body politic, all financial constructs, including the Fed Reserve, and your media.

Do you have evidence of the anti Zionist competition, that exists, in America?

Apart from the 'National Rifle Association', which is what I was offered before, when I asked someone else to name me a group in the US, as powerful as AIPAC.

Jack

 

What 'competition'?

The ONLY man in the American political mainstream that was even close to worth a listen, was Ron Paul.

Any ideas, as to why he never had any chance of being an American President?

Any thoughts as to why Goldman Sachs were Obama's single biggest contributor, at the last election. They also funded McCain/Palin?

Serf, have you ever spent much time really looking into Goldman Sachs?

It would be interesting to know which corporations, banks, and billionaire's are funding Romney or Obama, this time over.

 

Apologies for not providing any sources. reading those comments back, I can see why it puts people into a state of mind in believing I'm just spouting nonsense.

Wall street and communism

Who financed Lenin and Trotsky?
Max Warburg - financing Bolsheviks
Wall streets & Bolsheviks - This link showcases how they continued to support the communism movement using things such as the Red cross movement to Russia.

Why did US corporations build Soviet union factories and weapons plants, which started churning out military equipment?

Selected Documents from UK and US government

Why did banks and some American corporations finance and support Hitler even DURING WW2? [Standard Oil, Union Banking Corporation, Chase bank etc.]

10 Global businesses that worked with Nazi
Standard Oil [ExxonMobil] provided fuel for Hitlers air force DURING the war
BIS central bank and Nazi gold, DURING the war
Explains it all, Standard Oil, American IG Farben etc.
Standard oil provides fuel for Germany, Standard Oil second largest owner of IG Farben which is responsible for the deadly gas of WW2

Surely, more than enough proof there?

 

I watched a docu on the Tzar's, recently.

What happened to them, in the end, was just awful.

Herded into a small room, and slaughtered...those poor little kids.

Then their bodies put in a pit, and covered in acid.

No one ever seems to want to give a mention to the 25million white Russians, mostly Christian, as a matter of fact, that were butchered.

I bet no one even knows how many Americans died, in WW2.

Or British.

Or anyone else.

The only people whose deaths we get to hear about, the only people whose deaths are written about, in so many books, or in films, etc etc...are the Jews.

Not that their suffering doesn't matter.

It's just not their exclusive property, nor is their suffering somehow special.

And, if anything, their suffering, as Hajo Meyer said, should have ensured that no Jews ever behaved in an inhumane way.

What a tragedy that they have.

For six bloody decades.

What a stain...on Judaism.

Even when we speak of Jewish internment by the NA, even then, it is never told to us in a truthful manner, always mawkish, always, every single Jew is made out to be some beacon of humanity, humble, downtrodden, victims.

Why not balance that up, by mentioning the fact that in the intern camps, Jews were often among the biggest sadistic bullies?

Their primary target - homosexuals.

Indeed, of all the different inmates, they were often treated the worse.

You see, the NA thought that 'they could be changed'.

'Scientifically'.

There then followed a series of quite horrendous experiments, on homosexuals.

Further to that, they were persecuted inside the camps, both by guards, and other inmates, most being Jews.

And....even when the camps were 'liberated', many of the homosexuals were....put into regular prisons, what with homsexuality being illegal.

Jack

 

Prove it.

 

It's futile, as I have said.

No matter what cites, names, admission, dates, times, events etc you offer...it is always some sort of 'coincidence'. (Note that they always ask for cites, over and over, and when you give them, they either are not read, or totally forgotten. Yet, when men who are proven liars, usurers, psychopaths, stand in front of a camera, and tell them some laughable story about Bin Laden, that they cannot get enough, and ask for no evidence.)

I have yet to hear an answer, even from TMR, to these questions..

1) Name on body in America, that is as powerful in US politics as AIPAC.

2) Cite one way in which Iran are a threat to Americans.

3) Name me the last President or candidate, that ran with the idea of totally reforming, or even scrapping the Fed, and how did he get on?

4) Name me one US President or candidate who has ever asked Israel to account for their nukes, their condition, and inspections?

5) Name me one US President or candidate who has ever suggested, esp at a time when Americans could use the money here, that has ever suggested that the never ending flow of money to Israel stops?

I could make a list of 500, but those five will do.

I would also invite Americans, as an experiment of your 'free press', to pick for me your ten biggest circulation newspapers.

Tell me who owns them.

Then, to show that your press is free, write a good op-ed, which is robustly critical of Israel.

And mention that you are not Jewish.

See what happens.

 

Can you prove your theories without using youtube/hate sites?

 

You missed my point, Jack. I'm talking about competition between special interests -- not competition as to which candidates are better for the people and which aren't.

Paul is definitely less attached to special interests than most, but I was referring to how special interests are in conflict with each other oftentimes. This doesn't mean that the situation for the average person is improving, but it does mean that no one particular agenda runs the show.

 

First thing, chum, I do not use 'hate sites', but since the like of you redefine the whole meaning of words, invert everything, then I guess by 'hate site', you really mean ....any site or info that shines a light on sneaky Zionist activity.

Second thing, my little ****w friend, if I happen to show Nittyahoo boasting how easy it is to manipulate America, and how stupid Americans are for their slavish support of Israel, then that is called VISUAL EVIDENCE.

Unless you think I got a Nitty look a like, then filmed the whole thing myself.

And lastly, 'Uri', there is a wealth of evidence, names, positions held, formal admissions, etc, etc, that, in a court of law, would, beyond reasonable doubt....find you culpable ...of subverting America.

It's truly beyond chutzpah..

 

Define what you mean by 'special interests', and who you think is the most powerful, 'special interest group' is, in the US today.

Name them.

Who do you think is THE most powerful, represented, and influential 'special interest' entity, and what IS their 'interest'?

 

Serfin' did you take a look at those links, with all the evidence that you asked for?

I mean...you did ask.

 

I'm still reading. The first source checks out, but the Warburg one comes from what appears to be a rather right wing think tank site.

 

What do you think, Jack? I already mentioned Wall Street. The interest is money, not Israel.

 

Okay.

And do you think there might be any sort of vague link, between, you know, and this is really far out there...wall street financial hucksters, banks like Goldman Sachs, billionaire Jews, and Israel?

 

So far as I can tell, they have their hands in a lot of pots including but not limited to Israel.

 

Try another way.

Jews in America, are raised at summer camp, to be loyal to Israel, to consider Israel and not the US as their true home, and that Jews are born superior to non Jewish Americans.

This goes on for ten years.

When they go into high office, or any position which has an impact on your country, are they loyal to America, thus dispensing with ten years of formative upbringing?

Who do you think Goldman Sachs are? A Muslim bank.

Are you fully aware of what they get up to?

He who controls the Fed Reserve can totally enslave your country.

Guess who really owns the Fed?

Guess who the chairman and deputy chairman are?

You can't keep ignoring this stuff, Serf.